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Re: Behind The Scenes Photographs.

Postby RLC-GTT on Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:08 pm

I should HOPE SO! :lol:
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Re: Behind The Scenes Photographs.

Postby SantaClaus on Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:38 am

I don't know who it is, but there's two things about him that should make it easy for someone to identify him. Find out which member of the crew had one very short leg and one very long leg, and that's your man. Oh, I blew the picture up as big as I could, and although he's out of focus, it looks like he has two black eyes. Must have been in a fight or something. (Yes, I'm kidding.)
I was wondering what scene they were working on. I know that ladder against the wall can be scene behind Bowie at night when he is distraught over the message about the "damn plaque". Wayne and Widmark seem to be in the right costumes for that scene. Or is this a photo taken around the time they're working on Lt. Finn's report about the big cannon? Seeing how there's not a lot of other actors around, I'm leaning toward their preparing for the night scene for Bowie's sombrero message. Anybody got any ideas on that? (No, I'm not kidding.)
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Re: Behind The Scenes Photographs.

Postby NefariousNed on Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:02 am

SantaClaus wrote:...
I was wondering what scene they were working on. I know that ladder against the wall can be scene behind Bowie at night when he is distraught over the message about the "damn plaque". Wayne and Widmark seem to be in the right costumes for that scene. Or is this a photo taken around the time they're working on Lt. Finn's report about the big cannon? Seeing how there's not a lot of other actors around, I'm leaning toward their preparing for the night scene for Bowie's sombrero message. Anybody got any ideas on that? (No, I'm not kidding.)

To me, it loos like Bowie and Crockett are discussing going out to blow up that big cannon.
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Re: Behind The Scenes Photographs.

Postby RLC-GTT on Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:35 am

Could be anything. That guy in the back is either crew or visitor -- not in costume. Thus the background is not set for shooting (with extras, props, etc.) and, without the background set-up, you can't really figure out what's going on. Costuming on the stars is what it was in many scenes.
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Re: Behind The Scenes Photographs.

Postby NefariousNed on Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:38 am

Notice how Wayne has his half-stock in the photo? That's the one he actually used during the battle scenes. The long rifle was just for close-ups.
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Re: Behind The Scenes Photographs.

Postby mrbassbone on Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:33 am

IF this is one of Ashley's images, can't he enlarge the corner of it without losing the quality? THAT should answer the question.,,
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Re: Behind The Scenes Photographs.

Postby SantaClaus on Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:46 pm

NefariousNed wrote:Notice how Wayne has his half-stock in the photo? That's the one he actually used during the battle scenes. The long rifle was just for close-ups.

That may be an important clue. They do look like they're discussing blowing up the cannon. You may be right about that. I'll look at that scene again, and see if the ladder if present and which rifle Crockett has when they have that discussion.
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Re: Behind The Scenes Photographs.

Postby SantaClaus on Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:40 pm

SantaClaus wrote:
NefariousNed wrote:Notice how Wayne has his half-stock in the photo? That's the one he actually used during the battle scenes. The long rifle was just for close-ups.

That may be an important clue. They do look like they're discussing blowing up the cannon. You may be right about that. I'll look at that scene again, and see if the ladder if present and which rifle Crockett has when they have that discussion.

After reviewing the tape, er, the DVD, I think that the still photographer snapped the shot of Crockett and Bowie right about or after when Travis shouts "Finn, you were ordered to report to me, not to hold lecture courses. Get up here!."
The movie is shot from an angle that is centered by the inside of the main gate, with Lt. Finn on the left, the Bee Keeper and 3 Texans behind him framed by the gate arch, with Crockett and Bowie on the right of the screen. Since the still photographer took his shot at an angle with the SW corner and west wall in the background, there would be no need for other actors or extras to be in place there, and whoever is standing with his foot on the SW corner cannon would not be seen in the movie.
Crockett and Bowie are in the proper costumes, Crockett has the same rifle and is holding his purse ( :lol: ) in the same way as in the photo where the strap forms a large hanging loop above his rifle which he is also holding barrel up and butt down.
Bowie in the movie at this moment has his left hand in his pocket with 2 fingers in and 2 fingers out, showing his wedding ring, the same way as in the B & W still photo. Bowie also has his cigar sticking out of his mouth. Everything matches that scene to that picture, just taken at 2 different angles.
In the still photo, you can see a ladder leaning against the right corner of the south gate-wall. It's interesting that in the movie, that ladder is not there at the beginning of the scene, and not yet there even that moment. After the large Mexican cannon blows up the Bee Keeper's keg, the ladder miraculously appears so that Denver Pyle and others can climb down from the south wall. Since scenes are not always shot in sequence, and that ladder area can't be seen in the movie, the ladder's presence in the still photo doesn't negate my determination of when the picture was taken. I'm guessing that the small barrel or keg on the ground near the door in the B & W is not only set dressing, but also a mark where background extras stand in parts of this "Big Cannon" scene.
Later, when Bowie and Crockett are discussing doing something about the cannon, Wayne and Widmark don't have their hands in the same positions as they do in the moment I described and as they have them in the still photo.
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Re: Behind The Scenes Photographs.

Postby Fargo Fenwyck on Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:23 pm

He's wearing sunglasses and after blowing it up....I'm leaning back to my original thought. There's a photo of Clothier somewhere on this thread that looks an awful like him. I'm on the hunt...Be back in a week. :roll:
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Re: Behind The Scenes Photographs.

Postby SantaClaus on Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:27 pm

Fargo Fenwyck wrote:He's wearing sunglasses and after blowing it up....I'm leaning back to my original thought. There's a photo of Clothier somewhere on this thread that looks an awful like him. I'm on the hunt...Be back in a week. :roll:

If the guy has a red and white striped shirt on under that jacket, then that just might be Waldo behind those sun-glasses. Another possibility is that the guy is the school bus driver and he's there to ask where he's supposed to drive the bus so that it can't be seen in the movie. :lol:
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Re: Behind The Scenes Photographs.

Postby Fargo Fenwyck on Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:42 pm

After a couple of hours here I give up. I thought I found what I was looking for only to find out several pages and posts later it was discussed in detail as to who the people were. Can we post a picture of Clothier?
Isn't the Director of Cinematography like the caddy to a Director/golfer? He assists in setting the scene and advising....Am I on the right track? Does he not stay close to the Director?
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Re: Behind The Scenes Photographs.

Postby Rick on Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:58 pm

Considering the man's attire, my guess is that he's John Ford's stunt double.
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Re: Behind The Scenes Photographs.

Postby SantaClaus on Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:16 am

Rick wrote:Considering the man's attire, my guess is that he's John Ford's stunt double.
;)

Wished I'd thought of that. You could be right. Then again, it might be Clothier's stunt double.

The truth is that I've searched and searched through picture after picture, and I can't who it is or who it isn't, but there's been talk. :?
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Re: Behind The Scenes Photographs.

Postby AlamoGill on Sat Feb 25, 2017 8:39 pm

Hi once again

Ashley Ward has been in touch and sent six images he wants me to post
on the forum for him and he has also supplied a legend for each one so I
hope I have done this correctly but the images Ashley sent me are a lot
larger than you see below as Photobucket have downsized them all

Regards

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Firstly here is a message from Ashley

My reasoning for offering up these images for posting is that I won't be in
San Antonio to share them in person this year and these large format
transparencies are all camera originals.


Gill thank you for your help in this matter it is greatly appreciated.

Ashley


This image is a frame enlargement from a strip of IMAX POF film in my collection.
Shot from atop Parson's Hill, it shows the soldados attacking the Eastern side of
the fort.

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This 4x5 transparency shows the set after production had ceased. It is approximately
January 1960.The cannons and other props had not yet been sold.

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This 4x5 transparency shows the soldados marching on the chapel as the defenders
prepare to fire their cannon. The defender with the raised linstock is Happy Shahan's
brother in law.

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This 4x5 transparency shows the final assault upon the chapel. Details of interest
include the TODD-AO camera at the bottom of the frame, and the red stock truck
behind the chapel. This image is often printed in reverse.

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This 4x5 transparency shows defenders manning the Low Barracks and Main Gate.
That is Jim Brewer with the canteen and Karl Flenn next to the gunnade.

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This 4x5 transparency shows a beautiful close-up of Linda Cristal. She had to wear
a heavy coat of makeup on her chest, to cover the freckles

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Re: Behind The Scenes Photographs.

Postby RLC-GTT on Sun Feb 26, 2017 7:50 pm

Too bad. I like freckles.
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Re: Behind The Scenes Photographs.

Postby RLC-GTT on Sun Feb 26, 2017 7:52 pm

Thanks, Gill, for posting these. And thanks to Ashley for making them available. Sorry he won't be in Bexar this year.
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Re: Behind The Scenes Photographs.

Postby cc nolen on Mon May 29, 2017 4:50 pm

The Guy on the right looks as if he saw all the Soldados and pooped in his pants!!! :o ... :lol:
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Re: Behind The Scenes Photographs.

Postby TexianAtHeartII on Tue May 30, 2017 1:27 am

RLC-GTT wrote:Too bad. I like freckles.


I like counting freckles. Slowly.
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Re: Behind The Scenes Photographs.

Postby Fargo Fenwyck on Wed May 31, 2017 6:27 pm

Man's gotta do what a man's gotta do!
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Re: Behind The Scenes Photographs.

Postby NefariousNed on Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:27 am

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Re: Behind The Scenes Photographs.

Postby NefariousNed on Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:45 am

Church basement scene. ( I guess that 's Emil Sande right after Crockett threw the knife at him. (Can't see
the knife.)
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Re: Behind The Scenes Photographs.

Postby NefariousNed on Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:45 pm

Evidently a rejected still, or lobby card. Is that light interference, or did a tab from a roll of film
overlap the negative? (Mo Jones Collection)
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Re: Behind The Scenes Photographs.

Postby NefariousNed on Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:50 pm

Is this scene Crockett's men arriving in the Alamo, or the Travis doesn't draw the line scene?
Interesting to see so many behind-the-scenes crew members on set at one time.
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Re: Behind The Scenes Photographs.

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NefariousNed wrote:Is this scene Crockett's men arriving in the Alamo, or the Travis doesn't draw the line scene?
Interesting to see so many behind-the-scenes crew members on set at one time.


Is this the same shot being done from a different angle? If so I think it's Crockett's arrival as the end of the low barracks is still intact, before the cannon destroyed Beekeeper's keg.
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Re: Behind The Scenes Photographs.

Postby SantaClaus on Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:42 pm

Don, I believe that is the same photograph. Everybody is standing in exactly the same pose in both photos. The difference seems to be that the first picture looks like a cropped version of the one you posted. It looks like the same angle, too. And you're right that your uncropped photo shows the low barracks intact before being blown up along with the Bee-Keeper's keg. That would indicate that it's a photo of Crockett's arrival. That what it looks like to me, too.
That being said, we know that scenes were not always filmed in the the same order as they appeared in the film. In this photo, all cameras and lights are pointed at actors standing where the Bee-Keeper's keg and the soon to be blown up corner of the Low Barracks would not be seen.
Is that Dickinson mounted on a horse on the left? Is the wrangler behind him checking the horse's oil? :lol:
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Re: Behind The Scenes Photographs.

Postby Don on Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:50 pm

Yeah Santa, I agree, it's the same photo but not cropped. I saw that after I had posted my copy. It's true that things were not filmed in order also, but I still think this is Crockett's arrival. Crockett's men are too close to the gate for the drawing the line scene, plus Travis was standing just off to the left of the gate in that scene. There are also ladies in costume standing around and by the line drawing scene they had already left, I think. Look over that umbrella in the centre of the photo too. Is that Bowie to the left, Crockett almost in the centre and on the right, maybe Travis, maybe Dickenson?

You do have a good eye too for picking out the guy checking under the horse's hood, so to speak. You always crack me up.
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Re: Behind The Scenes Photographs.

Postby Fargo Fenwyck on Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:09 pm

I see Dickerson on a horse off to the lower left. I think the guys under the umbrella are stand ins for Wayne and Widmark. I do see Widmark above the umbrella but no Crockett. There is a guy with the shirt that Wayne wore when they entered the town with his beaver hat on. The guy under the umbrella has a beaver hat on. Could be stand ins and maybe a deleted scene.
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Re: Behind The Scenes Photographs.

Postby AlamoMo on Sun Jan 28, 2018 3:10 pm

TEST IMAGE POSTING

Just upgraded to the Photobucket New Premium Plan @ $99.00's per
year as this one allows free hosting of 3rd party images on forums like ours

So if this image has worked then I have to e mail them to make all my
other images already posted on the forum live again so wish me luck
with that

Mo

Here is one of Duke & Ford on the Alamo set back in 1959

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Re: Behind The Scenes Photographs.

Postby Rick on Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:28 pm

Good luck.
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Re: Behind The Scenes Photographs.

Postby AlamoMo on Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:47 pm

Many thanks Rick

So far so good it seems Photobucket have kept their promise and my posted images are coming back on line live
especially in the " Behind The Scenes & The Zulu " topics

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Re: Behind The Scenes Photographs.

Postby NefariousNed on Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:18 pm

AlamoMo wrote:Many thanks Rick

So far so good it seems Photobucket have kept their promise and my posted images are coming back on line live
especially in the " Behind The Scenes & The Zulu " topics

Best wishes

Mo

I too have just rec 'd the $99 per year offer from Photobucket, so I will probably also be renewing. That's $70 less
than my usual $169 per year for the Premium account I've been doing.
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Re: Behind The Scenes Photographs.

Postby ConnieFromHaiti on Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:48 am

Does this mean Photobucket has come at least partially to its senses?
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Re: Behind The Scenes Photographs.

Postby AlamoMo on Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:17 pm

" Does this mean Photobucket has come at least partially to its senses "

Indeed " It Do " Connie and all seems to be working fine again as it stands
so hopefully I can get around to posting some more images in this topic
once I get some sorted out

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