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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby AlamoMo on Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:47 am

Heres another two screen captures my favourite is the colour version below:

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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby MUSTANG on Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:25 am

I'm currently watching an enjoyable program on the Discovery Channel. "American Guns." A Navy veteran ordered the manufacture of a replica Nock Volley gun. $7,000 from Gunsmoke out of Denver, Colorado. Rather than fire all seven barrels simutaneously, each barrel will fire sequentially with a slight delay. Interesting manufacture.
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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby marklemon on Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:28 am

MUSTANG wrote:I'm currently watching an enjoyable program on the Discovery Channel. "American Guns." A Navy veteran ordered the manufacture of a replica Nock Volley gun. $7,000 from Gunsmoke out of Denver, Colorado. Rather than fire all seven barrels simutaneously, each barrel will fire sequentially with a slight delay. Interesting manufacture.


Depending on the situation, that might be more preferable than all at once....
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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby cc nolen on Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:28 pm

I cant imagine firing all 7 barrels at once....probably wake up with a few teeth missing :lol:
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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby Davy on Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:37 pm

cc nolen wrote:I cant imagine firing all 7 barrels at once....probably wake up with a few teeth missing :lol:
Chris...


Well probably was fired with reduced charges .. also some were attached to the gunwales of the ships to be used as repelling weapons ... :o
:D Shows you how much of a man Bowie wuz ( or thought he wuz anyway ;) ) :lol:
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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby NefariousNed on Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:40 am

A blast from the past---literally.
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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby cc nolen on Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:12 pm

I have a few guys in my hunting club who could use that...maybe, just maybe, they could hit a deer
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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby alamocentral on Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:44 am

Good Evening:
Appropos the Nock Volley Gun, today's post brought the December issue of American Rifleman. It has a feature article on this seven barreled scattergun. They actually fire one of these monsters. In The Alamo (1960),there were two volley guns. One was an original, and only for looks. Whenever they needed to fire the beast, they used a copy made by the prop department. This Hollywood "stand-in" had a gas line taped to the off side of the stock. Firing an original was only marginally less uncomfortable for the shooter, than it was for the intended target.
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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby RLC-GTT on Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:54 am

alamocentral wrote:Good Evening:
Appropos the Nock Volley Gun, today's post brought the December issue of American Rifleman. It has a feature article on this seven barreled scattergun. They actually fire one of these monsters. In The Alamo (1960),there were two volley guns. One was an original, and only for looks. Whenever they needed to fire the beast, they used a copy made by the prop department. This Hollywood "stand-in" had a gas line taped to the off side of the stock. Firing an original was only marginally less uncomfortable for the shooter, than it was for the intended target.
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I remember reading or hearing somewhere that Widmark would not carry the original if he had any serious acting to do. It was so heavy (one can imaging, with all that iron) that moving it around would mess up his acting. He avoided it except in close shots.
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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby RLC-GTT on Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:56 am

RLC-GTT wrote:I remember reading or hearing somewhere that Widmark would not carry the original if he had any serious acting to do.

Why do I think I hear Kristi's teeth gnashing in the background? :lol:
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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby Fargo Fenwyck on Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:38 pm

My PA long rifle is a mite heavy after caring it about. I can only imagine what (7) barrels would be like.
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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby MartyB on Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:00 am

Of interest....

From our pals over at Heritage Auction http://historical.ha.com/c/item.zx?sale ... otNo=56465

“Tom Jones (1920-2000): Texan Volunteers during the Mier Expedition, 1842
Watercolor and ink on heavy art paper, 14.75" x 19.5", signed by the artist

During the Second Texas-Mexican War, some 300 Texan militia volunteers ignored orders to pull back from the Rio Grande to Gonzales and instead moved toward Ciudad Mier on December 20, 1842. 261 of the men participated in the raid on the town, the balance remaining behind to guard the camp and baggage. However, the raiders were unaware that nearly 3,000 Mexican troops were nearby. In the ensuing action, the Texans inflicted heavy casualties on the Mexicans before being forced to surrender on December 26. 243 Texan prisoners were marched toward Mexico City. On 11 February, 1843, 181 of the Texans under the command of Captain Ewen Cameron escaped, although 176 were later recaptured or surrendered themselves rather than risk perishing in the mountainous Mexican wilderness due to lack of water and food. When the prisoners were escorted into Saltillo, Coahuila, it was learned that President Santa Anna ordered the execution of all escapees but the commander. However, General Mejia refused to carry out this order and was replaced by Colonel Huerta. By this time, diplomatic efforts by the United States and Great Britain on behalf of Texas led to a compromise: only one in ten would die. To determine the lot of the unfortunate few, Huerta placed 159 white beans and 17 black beans in a pot. The Texans were blindfolded and each drew a bean in his turn. Those who drew black beans were executed by firing squad. The remainder were incarcerated at Perote Prison until their release in September of 1844. This fine watercolor done the late Tom Jones, noted Texas historical artist, in 1995 recreates the appearance of the Texan troops during the Mier Expedition. It is largely based on a series of sketches made by eyewitness Charles McLaughlin. The Texan militia involved in this campaign were not uniformed, but instead wore the rough outerwear common on the frontier, including hunting shirts, frock coats, and "roundabout" jackets, as well as the ubiquitous slouch hat or sombrero. Arms including some of the new percussion, repeating revolvers and carbines of Samuel Colt, in addition to older flintlock muskets and rifles. The figure on the left is Captain Cameron (who was executed even though he drew a white bean, having led the escape) sporting a pair of epaulettes on his frock coat to denote his rank. The figure on the right, armed with a Kentucky rifle, Bowie knife and Colt Paterson pistol, is William "Big Foot" Wallace, famed Texas frontiersman.”


While it depicts troops of 1842...it still has value...



That fella second from the left....don't he look a little "nefarious".........
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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby Fargo Fenwyck on Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:07 pm

Do I detect a relative of Ned in the back row?
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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby Seguin on Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:05 am

By this time, diplomatic efforts by the United States and Great Britain on behalf of Texas led to a compromise: only one in ten would die. To determine the lot of the unfortunate few, Huerta placed 159 white beans and 17 black beans in a pot.


I guess Huerta was´nt too good at math. One in ten only makes for 16 black beans (0r 15.9 to be precise).

Do I detect a relative of Ned in the back row?


You sure do! :)
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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby fespar on Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:32 pm

Nefarious wrote:Image
Two years ago this month, this coonskin cap was listed on eBay as one of the
caps worn by John Wayne in THE ALAMO. While the bids went up as high as
$500.00, does anyone know what finally became of the cap, or if it even really
looks like one Wayne wore in the film?


This is not a cap worn by John Wayne!It could've been made for him,but he didn't use it.
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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby NefariousNed on Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:39 am

In order to get the Alamo episode of "Young Riders" where Teaspoon Hunter (Anthony Zerbe) is discovered to have been an
Alamo courier, I had to purchase the entire Season One of the series. Meant to be, or not, "Young Riders" is comedic history
at its best. In the pilot episode, the Pony Express riders are in hot pursuit of a gang that has robbed an express station and
killed its proprietor. (The gang had also shot one of the riders and left her for dead.) After happening upon the gang who are
encamped down the hill about a hundred yards away, the Young Riders are about to go against the gang's buffalo guns with their
trusty six-shooters, when one of the riders, who had ridden back to the original express station, magically returns in the nick of
time with a crate of Nock Volley guns. (You know, just the sort of guns that any Pony Express station would have about.) All six
riders, then armed with one of the guns, proceed to knock hell out of the gang of cutthroats, all those yards away. Here some
screen caps.
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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby RLC-GTT on Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:20 pm

OMG. There can't be that many Knock Volley guns in the world!!!! So......... Why didn't Jim Bowie just bring all those to the Alamo. Might have been a different matter. ;)

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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby MUSTANG on Sun Aug 25, 2013 9:57 pm

As many of you already know, several years ago I purchased the entire Ken Pruit Mexican uniform collection from "The Alamo." Over the years I have added some additional items but, now, unfortunately, I have to sell it. While I'd like to sell it in its entirety, if absolutely necessary, I will entertain the idea of selling them off in pairs. The collection consists of the following:

1). Dragoon Officer w/Silver helmet...2). Dragoon Enlisted man w/Black helmet

3). Blue Lancer Enlisted man w/ Black felt flat crown hat.

4). Gray Lancer Officer w/Black felt flat crown hat...5). Gray Lancer Enlisted man w/Black felt flat crwon hat

6). Artillery Officer w/Shako...7). Artillery Enlist man w/ Shako

8). Red Infantry Officer w/ black felt/Gold trim hat...9). Red Infantry Enlisted man w/ Shako

10). Blue Infantry Enlisted man/Gray pants w/Shako...11). Blue Infantry Enlisted man/Gray pants/Blue cuff/no trim w/Shako...12). Blue infantry Enlisted Man/Gray pants/Blue cuffs/White stripe w/Shako...13). Blue Infantry Enlisted man Tan pants/R cuffs/white stripe w/Shako...14). Blue Officer w/Shako

15). White Infantry enlisted man w/While linen Shako...16). White Infantry Officer w/While linen Shako

17). Ecru Infantry Officer w/White linen Shako...18). Ecru Infantry w/White linen Shako...19). Ecru Infantry Enlisted man/Japanese tunic w/White linen shako

20). Tan Infantry enlisted man w/Straw hat...21). Tan Infantry enlisted man w/Sombrero...22). Tan Infantry Office w/ straw hat

23). Band Uniform w/Shako

24). Gray Lancer enlist man (Uniform only)

25). Red Infantry enlisted man (uniform only).

All uniforms are complete with the appropriate accoutrements (belt/buckle, sword, scabbard, pouch, straps, etc. Some belt buckles were molded from the original mold at Western costume. Some belts/pouches are from Alamo 2004.

If one wishes to purchase the entire collection I'll throw in a replica Wayne buckskin outfit complete with black hat, belt, knives and knives as well as a replica Wayne suede fringe jacket for free. If interested, please PM me on the forum or e-mail me at jkfarkis@earthlink.net for details. Most of he items were purchased from Hollywood Movie Costumes and I have 19 Certificates of Authenticity for them. Our good friend Joe Musso told me that, in the past, he has worked with Hollywood Costumes to assure the authenticity of the articles. I have previously received permission from Mo to post this notice of sale.

I feel bad about having to sell these items but sometimes you have to do what you have to do. I hope they'll find a good home.

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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby AlamoMo on Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:05 pm

Once again John many thanks for asking first and it is sad and a shame that the collection
could not have ended up at the " Waynamo " but lets hope that if the uniforms sell that it
will be people like us who have an interest in the film's history that purchase them from you.

Can I just add I do not mind members selling Alamo related items on the forum but all I ask
is that you just ask first and secondly once again can I ask that " No Prices "are mentioned
but to contact the seller via PM or e mail to discuss any aspect of the sale.

In future if I see prices mentioned I will remove that aspect of the sale

Finally can I point out that the forum accepts " No Responsibility " for any purchases that
members enter into and if there is any problems with said purchase that they contact the
seller direct to sort it out.

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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby MartyB on Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:19 pm

MUSTANG wrote:As many of you already know, several years ago I purchased the entire Ken Pruit Mexican uniform collection from "The Alamo." Over the years I have added some additional items but, now, unfortunately, I have to sell it. While I'd like to sell it in its entirety, if absolutely necessary, I will entertain the idea of selling them off in pairs.......

All uniforms are complete with the appropriate accoutrements (belt/buckle, sword, scabbard, pouch, straps, etc. Some belt buckles were molded from the original mold at Western costume. Some belts/pouches are from Alamo 2004.

If one wishes to purchase the entire collection I'll throw in a replica Wayne buckskin outfit complete with black hat, belt, knives and knives as well as a replica Wayne suede fringe jacket for free. If interested, please PM me on the forum or e-mail me at jkfarkis@earthlink.net for details. Most of he items were purchased from Hollywood Movie Costumes and I have 19 Certificates of Authenticity for them. Our good friend Joe Musso told me that, in the past, he has worked with Hollywood Costumes to assure the authenticity of the articles. I have previously received permission from Mo to post this notice of sale.

I feel bad about having to sell these items but sometimes you have to do what you have to do. I hope they'll find a good home.

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I hope they find a good home too...but wouldn't it be great if they were put on a 'permanent' display at the newly 'renovated' Alamo Village.........
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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby MartyB on Sat Nov 09, 2013 1:00 pm

Of interest...
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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby MartyB on Sat Feb 08, 2014 3:43 pm

"GOSH...MAW!!! Kin I have one????????"

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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby RLC-GTT on Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:54 pm

Yeah, I ruined my whole original Marx Playset by painting those guys in Wayne's variegated colors. ;)
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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby MartyB on Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:00 pm

Love the 'spats' on the bugler...

Did the guard ever leave the top right corner of the church? If the Wayneamo set is ever refurbished they should put the 'X' , a cannon and a statue of the guard back on the top...
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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby MartyB on Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:02 pm

Of interest...

A shot of the top outline of the church with the guard in a different position...(Because of the cannon being fired?)
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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby MUSTANG on Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:24 pm

To all. Just a heads up. Premiere Props are having an auction this weekend which will include the remaining portion of my Alamo uniform collection; about 15 or so. You can view the catalog online and post a bid if you wish. Or, phone bids will be accepted. Just get in contact with them to register as a VIP bidder. Thanks to all.
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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby Travis247 on Sat May 31, 2014 5:14 pm

The Alamo was and still is my favorite movie, (although I believe that The Searchers was John Waynes best western).
Watching it again the other night, I am looking at all the Mexican uniforms, buckskins worn by the Tenneseans, the
costumes of the defenders wearing basically 1836 garb, then why in the heck did Wayne have to wear a neck scarf
and a vest as Davy Crockett? Now I don't see him in the Billy Bob Thornton getup, but how bout a loose filthy deerskin
or something?

Any thoughts?

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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby NefariousNed on Sat May 31, 2014 8:52 pm

Travis247 wrote:... why in the heck did Wayne have to wear a neck scarf and a vest as Davy Crockett?
Now I don't see him in the Billy Bob Thornton getup, but how bout a loose filthy deerskin or something?

Any thoughts?

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Well, we know that Wayne had a great buckskin outfit when he first arrived in town.
But, after he and the Tennesseans had gotten "out of these deerskins and into our
fooferaw," he never wore complete buckskins thereafter. When you think of it, Billy
Bob Thornton as Crockett in THE ALAMO (2004) did the same thing Wayne had done
in the 1960 film. He showed the audience Crockett in buckskins on his arrival to Bejar,
but never again thereafter. Where Billy remained in his "fooferaw" for the balance of the
film, Wayne wore composite outfits as his film wore on. The buckskin outfit, but
with the flat brimmed black hat. Then half skins, half fooferaw. Then finally buckskin
britches and coon hat, but with the anachronistic blue shirt with plastic buttons, the
cowboy scarf and leather vest. To me, this last outfit was just Wayne being comfortable
in his own skin. It was an outfit that film viewers would recognize as John Wayne. True,
the britches were buckskin, but the balance of the outfit was, John Wayne, Cowboy. I'm
thinking Wayne must've felt what Billy Bob expressed as Crockett in the '04 film: People
expect things. Wayne's audience expected John Wayne. And, as I mentioned, Wayne was
probably a lot more comfortable in that outfit than if he'd been forced to wear full buck-
skins in the Texas heat. For comfort, he'd even forewent using the long rifle in the battle
scenes, far preferring to use his half stock rifle in all but the closeups.
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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby MartyB on Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:46 am

NefariousNed wrote:
Travis247 wrote:... why in the heck did Wayne have to wear a neck scarf and a vest as Davy Crockett?
Now I don't see him in the Billy Bob Thornton getup, but how bout a loose filthy deerskin or something?

Any thoughts?

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Well, we know that Wayne had a great buckskin outfit when he first arrived in town.
But, after he and the Tennesseans had gotten "out of these deerskins and into our
fooferaw," he never wore complete buckskins thereafter. When you think of it, Billy
Bob Thornton as Crockett in THE ALAMO (2004) did the same thing Wayne had done
in the 1960 film. He showed the audience Crockett in buckskins on his arrival to Bejar,
but never again thereafter. Where Billy remained in his "fooferaw" for the balance of the
film, Wayne wore composite outfits as his film wore on. The buckskin outfit, but
with the flat brimmed black hat. Then half skins, half fooferaw. Then finally buckskin
britches and coon hat, but with the anachronistic blue shirt with plastic buttons, the
cowboy scarf and leather vest. To me, this last outfit was just Wayne being comfortable
in his own skin. It was an outfit that film viewers would recognize as John Wayne. True,
the britches were buckskin, but the balance of the outfit was, John Wayne, Cowboy. I'm
thinking Wayne must've felt what Billy Bob expressed as Crockett in the '04 film: People
expect things. Wayne's audience expected John Wayne. And, as I mentioned, Wayne was
probably a lot more comfortable in that outfit than if he'd been forced to wear full buck-
skins in the Texas heat. For comfort, he'd even forewent using the long rifle in the battle
scenes, far preferring to use his half stock rifle in all but the closeups.


Hear, hear Ned,,,you nailed it...


The Duke with a Davy Crockett ‘Cap’ and his John Wayne ‘Uniform’…Bandana, and a vest over a blue
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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby NefariousNed on Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:06 pm

While at the Alamusso earlier this month, I had the pleasure of meeting gun and knife collector Al Frisch.
Seems that he had recently acquired a number of prop Mexican sabers from Western Costumes that had
been used in THE ALAMO and brought them to Joe's to hand out. Larry, Jerry, and I each got one. It's
just the sword handle and scabbard in one piece meant for officers in the deep background who would not
be drawing their weapons. Anyhow, very cool, and very cool of Al to be sharing them with us.

More of the Alamusso get-together photos and info in the "California Contingent" gathering thread.

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Al Frisch and Joe Musso. Al is holding one of the prop sabers.
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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby NefariousNed on Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:09 pm

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Larry Grimsley with his prop saber from "THE ALAMO".
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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby NefariousNed on Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:10 pm

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Me with my prop saber from "THE ALAMO".
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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby NefariousNed on Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:12 pm

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Larry Grimsley and his gun range friend Jerry Mulnix cross swords with their prop sabers from "THE ALAMO".

As usual, go back a page for photos you may've missed, or else click here: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=14&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=420#p130840
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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby RLC-GTT on Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:19 am

NefariousNed wrote:While at the Alamusso earlier this month, I had the pleasure of meeting gun and knife collector Al Frisch.
Seems that he had recently acquired a number of prop Mexican sabers from Western Costumes that had
been used in THE ALAMO and brought them to Joe's to hand out. Larry, Jerry, and I each got one. It's
just the sword handle and scabbard in one piece meant for officers in the deep background who would not
be drawing their weapons. Anyhow, very cool, and very cool of Al to be sharing them with us.

Very cool indeed. That's a classic.
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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby MUSTANG on Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:20 pm

Now, how cool is that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby RLC-GTT on Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:04 am

I remember Dean Smith or somebody saying that the stuntmen all took off their hardware and left it on the ground before they started for the palisade
and the 18-man leap and fall. That's probably what they would have been wearing.
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Re: The Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby MUSTANG on Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:55 am

That's exactly what was said. Looked like an Army surplus store from all the stuff lying on the ground.
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Re: The Movie Uniforms & Weapons.

Postby NefariousNed on Mon Jan 12, 2015 6:34 am

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