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Re: The Actors.

Postby NefariousNed on Sun Apr 03, 2016 10:05 pm

While in San Antonio this past Thursday, I stopped by the Teresa Champion Dance Academy to pick up some of their Fiesta San Antonio
medals.
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The Academy has moved from 902 Southcross Blvd. San Antonio, TX, 78210, to 6732 S. Flores St. San Antonio, TX 78210
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Was met at the door by Teresa Champion's oldest granddaughter, Annette, who told me that Teresa
would be in later and that she still teaches dance classes. (Too bad I could not wait.) Annette added
that next year's Fiesta San Antonio medal would be designed to honor the late Willie "El Curro"
Champion. Good.
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Re: The Actors.

Postby RLC-GTT on Sun Apr 03, 2016 11:31 pm

Here are two shots taken (I believe) by Mike Bowlin, our publicist at Alamo Village, between scenes during the filming of James A. Michener's TEXAS in 1994. Willy and one of his daughters performed in a scene as guitar and dancer behind Sam Houston (Stacy Keach) and and Jim Bowie (David Keith) in a cantina. She danced on a very tiny stage in the background during Houston and Bowie's dialogue scene. At the end, Houston gets up on the stage and kisses her. The photos are of Willy and his daughter and Willy with one of his fans.
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Re: The Actors.

Postby NefariousNed on Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:16 pm

Willie and Teresa Champion's granddaughter, Annette Flores. Annette is currently
providing private lessons in Jazz, Ballet, Pointe, Contemporary,and Conditioning
for dancers. She holds a BS in Dance From Texas State University and a MFA in
Choreography from Jacksonville University. A regular chip off the old block.
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Re: The Actors.

Postby RLC-GTT on Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:19 am

Wow! She is striking! And obviously very talented like here grandparents. Is this one of her publicity photos? It's great!
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Re: The Actors.

Postby MUSTANG on Wed Jun 15, 2016 2:23 am

I know I mentioned this before but Teresa's table-top dance was performed in the Cantina in the wee hours. It was pouring that night. She claimed she wrote her name underneath the table upon which she danced, but Rich said he couldn't find any evidence of that. Of course, maybe the table was destroyed, damaged, removed or re-purposed. Or, maybe Teresa mis-remembered. :lol:
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Re: The Actors.

Postby RLC-GTT on Wed Jun 15, 2016 2:43 am

I doubt it is still around -- or was even left here by Batjac. All rental props and set dressing would have been returned to the rental houses. If it was built on set for the movie (as a lot of stuff was), then either it was left here, it was taken back by its owners (Batjac -- who probably would not have wanted to keep it due to storage costs) or Happy made a deal to keep it. I know we have a couple X-Wing (my Star Wars name for them) tables that were from the movie as well as some square stools and a few benches. More than that I haven't identified.
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Re: The Actors.

Postby SantaClaus on Wed Jun 15, 2016 2:17 pm

RLC-GTT wrote:I doubt it is still around -- or was even left here by Batjac. All rental props and set dressing would have been returned to the rental houses. If it was built on set for the movie (as a lot of stuff was), then either it was left here, it was taken back by its owners (Batjac -- who probably would not have wanted to keep it due to storage costs) or Happy made a deal to keep it. I know we have a couple X-Wing (my Star Wars name for them) tables that were from the movie as well as some square stools and a few benches. More than that I haven't identified.

Square stools? Thats disgusting. Maybe the result of eating square meals. :lol:
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Re: The Actors.

Postby RLC-GTT on Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:25 pm

Only you.... LOL.
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Re: The Actors.

Postby ConnieFromHaiti on Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:11 pm

SantaClaus wrote:
RLC-GTT wrote:I doubt it is still around -- or was even left here by Batjac. All rental props and set dressing would have been returned to the rental houses. If it was built on set for the movie (as a lot of stuff was), then either it was left here, it was taken back by its owners (Batjac -- who probably would not have wanted to keep it due to storage costs) or Happy made a deal to keep it. I know we have a couple X-Wing (my Star Wars name for them) tables that were from the movie as well as some square stools and a few benches. More than that I haven't identified.

Square stools? Thats disgusting. Maybe the result of eating square meals. :lol:
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Re: The Actors.

Postby The Colonel on Sat Jul 02, 2016 11:41 pm

Today (July 2 2016) would have been Ken Curtis’ 100th birthday. He passed away in 1991. Although best known for his Festus role on Gunsmoke, his career was largely connected to music. He sang with the Tommy Dorsey band—possibly as a temporary replacement for Frank Sinatra. He appeared as a singing cowboy in a B-Western series for Columbia pictures. In 1949 Ken became part of the Sons of the Pioneers when founding member Tim Spencer retired—recording with them through 1957. Bob Nolan, another founding member of the Sons of the Pioneers, said, “Ken had a wonderful voice, a true voice. He was just like a pitch pipe.” His appearances in the John Ford movies initially included his musical talents, before being given straight acting parts. (John Ford was his father-in-law.) Of course his singing in The Alamo was one of the casualties of the cutting room.
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Re: The Actors.

Postby The Colonel on Sat Jul 02, 2016 11:43 pm

James Edward Grant (1905-1966) was also born on July 2.
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Re: The Actors.

Postby Fargo Fenwyck on Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:41 pm

Get-TV is running "The Restless Gun". The episode I saw yesterday had Jocko and Blind Nell in several scenes.
I wonder if this is where they were thought to be a couple for "The Alamo". You know how somebody saw them and passed it on to casting.....
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Re: The Actors.

Postby NefariousNed on Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:31 am

Aissa Wayne with her screen father, Ken Curtis. (Also her first crush.)
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Re: The Actors.

Postby NefariousNed on Sun Sep 25, 2016 3:33 pm

"With his banners a'dancin'
In the dawn's golden light,
Santa Anna came prancin'
On a horse that was whiter than white."

Ruben Padilla as Santa Anna.
(Is that a leopard skin saddle blanket?)
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Re: The Actors.

Postby mrbassbone on Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:19 am

NefariousNed wrote:"With his banners a'dancin'
In the dawn's golden light,
Santa Anna came prancin'
On a horse that was whiter than white."

Ruben Padilla as Santa Anna.
(Is that a leopard skin saddle blanket?)


Uh...the correct lyrics say:
"on a horse that was Black as the Night".
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Re: The Actors.

Postby NefariousNed on Mon Sep 26, 2016 4:19 pm

What's the matter, Shell, are you blind!? That horse is whiter than white!
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Re: The Actors.

Postby cc nolen on Mon Sep 26, 2016 6:06 pm

NefariousNed wrote:"With his banners a'dancin'
In the dawn's golden light,
Santa Anna came prancin'
On a horse that was whiter than white."

Ruben Padilla as Santa Anna.
(Is that a leopard skin saddle blanket?)

JAGUAR! being from MEXICO............maybe? :roll:
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Re: The Actors.

Postby mrbassbone on Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:19 pm

NefariousNed wrote:What's the matter, Shell, are you blind!? That horse is whiter than white!

Must be these new fangled speck-tackles.
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Re: The Actors.

Postby RLC-GTT on Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:24 pm

NefariousNed wrote:What's the matter, Shell, are you blind!? That horse is whiter than white!

Don't worry, Nef. I got it! (Damn Yankees! :o )
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Re: The Actors.

Postby RLC-GTT on Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:29 pm

I always wondered about:

In the southern part of Texas,
Near the town of San Antone,
Like a statue on his pinto
Rides a cowboy all alone...

And he sees the cattle grazing
Where, a century before,
Santa Anna's guns were blazing
and the cannons used to roar.


What? Cattle are grazing and he's riding his pinto in modern Alamo Plaza????? Or does he mean Alamo Village, which also makes no sense in context?
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Re: The Actors.

Postby NefariousNed on Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:31 pm

RLC-GTT wrote:I always wondered about:

In the southern part of Texas,
Near the town of San Antone,
Like a statue on his pinto
Rides a cowboy all alone...

And he sees the cattle grazing
Where, a century before,
Santa Anna's guns were blazing
and the cannons used to roar.


What? Cattle are grazing and he's riding his pinto in modern Alamo Plaza????? Or does he mean Alamo Village, which also makes no sense in context?

Yes, it almost seems as though Paul Francis Webster got his inspiration for those lyrics from the Brackettville set.
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Re: The Actors.

Postby SantaClaus on Mon Sep 26, 2016 11:12 pm

NefariousNed wrote:"With his banners a'dancin'
In the dawn's golden light,
Santa Anna came prancin'
On a horse that was whiter than white."

Ruben Padilla as Santa Anna.
(Is that a leopard skin saddle blanket?)

He stole it from a whxxx house in Cree. :o
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Re: The Actors.

Postby RLC-GTT on Tue Sep 27, 2016 1:24 am

Creed! :lol:
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Re: The Actors.

Postby cc nolen on Tue Sep 27, 2016 6:06 pm

Well, it does say...* Near* the town of San Antone.....in 1936 he could have been bringing some cows in to sell. Maybe from the east? :roll: or as he says....the guns were a blazing....maybe it was to the north? ;)
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Re: The Actors.

Postby RLC-GTT on Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:52 pm

You're reaching. :lol:
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Re: The Actors.

Postby Fargo Fenwyck on Wed Sep 28, 2016 5:46 pm

It's raining here. I guess we are Damp Yankees :roll:
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Re: The Actors.

Postby RLC-GTT on Wed Sep 28, 2016 7:25 pm

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: (My six-shooter at you!)
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Re: The Actors.

Postby NefariousNed on Wed Sep 28, 2016 8:09 pm

RLC-GTT wrote: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: (My six-shooter at you!)

Make that: :roll:
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Re: The Actors.

Postby Fargo Fenwyck on Wed Sep 28, 2016 8:29 pm

You've only got ONE bullet last I knew.
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Re: The Actors.

Postby SantaClaus on Wed Sep 28, 2016 11:43 pm

Saw Denver Pyle last night in an episode, "The Wrecker", of "The Adventures of Superman." I'm watching all the episodes of the show, 2 each night, and it's fun to see so many character actors early in their careers as they build their resumes, or even old timers making a few bucks to pay for food and rent. Saw blind Nell as a hoodlum's moll, that Superman leaves on a mountain top after they discover his secret identity. They ignore his warning not to try climbing down. Poor Nell. :(
Saw Paul Fix in a couple of episodes, billed as Peter Fix. He was a good friend of John Wayne's, appearing in many of his pictures. Fix was already playing Marshal Micah Torrence on "The Rifleman" when "The Alamo" was filmed. If Paul Fix had been available, do you think he could have had part in "The Alamo"?
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Re: The Actors.

Postby NefariousNed on Sun Jan 22, 2017 3:39 pm

Aissa Wayne as Angelina "Lisa" Dickinson.

Hey Rich, What door inside the Alamo, or town would've had a padlock? If it was the door to the
powder magazine, then Wayne's Crockett would've had a heck of a time trying to open it in order
to thrown in the torch.
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Re: The Actors.

Postby RLC-GTT on Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:21 am

Can't see enough wall, but it is one of the doors on the long barrack, low barrack or west wall. Long barrack rooms were all dressing rooms for the leads, so I lean toward that. John might know, if he has other pictures from the same roll.
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Re: The Actors.

Postby MUSTANG on Tue Jan 24, 2017 4:13 am

Sorry, no I don't.
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Re: The Actors.

Postby RLC-GTT on Tue Jan 24, 2017 5:57 am

Humph!
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Re: The Actors.

Postby BigJake1979 on Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:32 am

I.read.somewhere. Arness was.wanted.for.the role.of Houston.in The Alamo..anything to that?
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Re: The Actors.

Postby RLC-GTT on Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:42 am

Never heard that and highly doubt it. I think he may have had his eye on Bowie, but Wayne and Ford made wiser economic decisions for casting, and Arness had to wait 27 years before he got to play 39 year old Bowie -- on a movie that DIDN'T make wise decisions for casting.

I must append that every major motion picture that is "in development" has a long list of possible stars for each part, usually based more on the marketplace than on whether somebody would be right for the part. The Alamo was no exception.
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Re: The Actors.

Postby The Colonel on Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:00 pm

In an interview with author David Rothel, director Andrew McLaglen said that he was contacted by John Wayne to arrange an interview with James Arness for the part of Houston. Arness didn’t show up for the appointment and an irritated Wayne asked McLaglen, “Who’s that other guy you work with?” That other guy was Richard Boone.

Richard Boone gave McLaglen a sculpture as a present for mentioning him to Wayne.

From Richard Boone: A Knight Without Armor in a Savage Land by David Rothel (2000)
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Re: The Actors.

Postby BigJake1979 on Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:40 pm

The Colonel wrote:In an interview with author David Rothel, director Andrew McLaglen said that he was contacted by John Wayne to arrange an interview with James Arness for the part of Houston. Arness didn’t show up for the appointment and an irritated Wayne asked McLaglen, “Who’s that other guy you work with?” That other guy was Richard Boone.

Richard Boone gave McLaglen a sculpture as a present for mentioning him to Wayne.

From Richard Boone: A Knight Without Armor in a Savage Land by David Rothel (2000)


Yes I think that's what I read, thanks
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Re: The Actors.

Postby RLC-GTT on Tue Mar 28, 2017 3:48 pm

Very interesting. I've never heard this.
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Re: The Actors.

Postby wconly on Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:13 pm

RLC-GTT wrote:Very interesting. I've never heard this.

Rich: Do you think it is possible the Arness was still holding a grudge against Wayne for 'basically' selling him into 'Gunsmoke'? W>
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