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Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:56 pm
by cc nolen
wconly wrote:
RLC-GTT wrote:Very interesting. I've never heard this.

Rich: Do you think it is possible the Arness was still holding a grudge against Wayne for 'basically' selling him into 'Gunsmoke'? W>


Well, the Intro to Marshall Dillon for the first couple of years was done by Wayne. He was looking through a window and says; Hello, my name is Wayne. There is a new Western and I told them James Arness was their man etc etc...Now heres my friend Jim Arness as Matt Dillon etc etc.
Sounds pretty friendly to me. :D
chris...

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:34 pm
by RLC-GTT
Yeah, the very first episode had that opening. John Wayne was offered the part, and he basically said "I don't do Television, but I've got a young protégé who would be perfect." Hollywood movies and TV were totally at odds in the fifties. It was beneath a movie star to do TV, and likewise, movies didn't often elevate TV stars to moviedom. Even into the Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid era, the joke was if you were casting for a movie, go for Robert Redford, but if for TV, don't aspire higher than Robert Conrad.

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:57 am
by MUSTANG
Interesting. I never heard this?????? It's in the book!!!!! LOL!

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:25 am
by RLC-GTT
MUSTANG wrote:Interesting. I never heard this?????? It's in the book!!!!! LOL!

What book?

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:26 am
by RLC-GTT
I PROOFED the book. I didn't READ it. :lol:

(Actually, Windy proofed it. What did I do? I did something from cover to cover. LOL.

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 7:08 am
by AlamoGill
I think this is what you are talking about

John Wayne Gunsmoke intro September 1955:


Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:22 pm
by MUSTANG
Pages 307-308.

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:59 pm
by Fargo Fenwyck
Wasn't Arness under contract to Wayne? YES I also know Arness covered this in his biography which is a good read. He had no problems with Wayne about "Gunsmoke". Gee guys why would you be upset with a guy who gave you wealth, fame and freedom to do what you enjoyed.

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:30 pm
by The Colonel
During an award presentation John Wayne introduced James Arness by saying he got him into television to get him out of the movies, because he was bigger than Wayne.
Arness interrupted, "Taller maybe."

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:26 pm
by SantaClaus
The Colonel wrote:During an award presentation John Wayne introduced James Arness by saying he got him into television to get him out of the movies, because he was bigger than Wayne.
Arness interrupted, "Taller maybe."

I remember watching that at the time, and thought that Arness looked absolutely gigantic as he approached John Wayne at the podium. I knew he was 6' 7", but I'd never before seen anyone tower over Wayne like that. HUGE!!! :)

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:57 pm
by RLC-GTT
MUSTANG wrote:Pages 307-308.

Holy cow, John! You didn't SAY it was in the first chapter! :lol:

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:02 pm
by RLC-GTT
SantaClaus wrote:
The Colonel wrote:During an award presentation John Wayne introduced James Arness by saying he got him into television to get him out of the movies, because he was bigger than Wayne.
Arness interrupted, "Taller maybe."

I remember watching that at the time, and thought that Arness looked absolutely gigantic as he approached John Wayne at the podium. I knew he was 6' 7", but I'd never before seen anyone tower over Wayne like that. HUGE!!! :)

We have a photo in the museum of Arness standing next to Happy at the same distance from the camera. He towers over him. When I pointed that out to Virginia, she said that Happy was 6 feet tall himself. Arness looks more than 7 inches taller than Happy, but it may be the boots. Happy always said Duke was 6' 7" in his boots which added 3". (Happy and Virginia both were prone to exaggeration. ;) )

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:28 pm
by SantaClaus
Rich, You've talked about and written about heights and how you can't always tell who's taller and how tall a person is by looking at a picture or how they look in a movie. Do you recall during HHD's 2016, at Joan Headley's party, Chris Nolen arrived and asked me how tall I was. You said something like, "Tall ain't he?" I told Chris I was about 6' 1 & 1/2", and he thought I was understating my height because he's about 6' 1 1/2", and I appeared much taller. But Chris was wearing flat sandals, and I was wearing cowboy boots and a cowboy hat. It's amazing how much a tall hat and boot heels can exaggerate one's height.
It's fun to watch Gunsmoke and see James Arness bend, stoop or slouch to fit into frame with his fellow actors. He looked great in "The Thing", especially since many of the other actors were short to medium in height.
Even if he had been available, perhaps he would have been too tall for John Wayne's "The Alamo".

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:47 am
by TexianAtHeartII
I've noticed on quite a few Gunsmoke episodes that Arness towered over so many of his co-stars. Even Dennis Weaver, who was no shorty, looked quite a bit smaller than Arness.

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:55 am
by RLC-GTT
I promise you that, on the movie screen, relative height is planned as part of the creative process -- most of the time. Yes, Arness was tall, but, even if Dennis Weaver were the same height, Arness' head-and-shoulder close-ups would have been shot with the lens lower than his face looking up at him and Weaver with the lens higher than his face looking down on him. This gives the impression that one is taller than the other, even if he isn't. In a 2-shot (where you see both characters on screen at the same time, the apple-box is used under the actor who is supposed to look taller or is the star of the show. Camera angles are the greatest and most subtle psychological contributor of filming a movie. Shooting up at somebody makes them appear strong, heroic, dominating, in control, sure of themselves, etc. Shooting down on somebody suggests weakness, subservience, insecurity, and other subtly negative character traits suggested by the script. Every Hollywood director of photography knows this technique, and most directors use it regularly if subtly.

Personally, I think Arness was not happy with his extreme height. I think this for several reasons. Wayne's makeup man's nephew was at Alamo Village one time and told me that his uncle said Duke was 6'5" and not 6'4" as always promoted. I asked why, and he said it was because, in Hollywood back then, if you were 6'4", you were "a man," but if you were taller, you were "a freak." Arness would have probably heard that all his grown-up life. LOL. Another reason I think he was self-conscious (other than the fact that ALL actors are) is because there was a set built at Alamo Village upstairs over the Trading Post that was to be Gen. Nelson Miles' H.Q. in town in the TV movie Gunsmoke: The Last Apache, and Arness had to enter the office through a doorway from the hall. The set builders created a normal height doorway, but Arness insisted that the top be raise a foot so he wouldn't have to stoop to go through it. Also, perhaps least likely as a suggestion of his paranoia, was that he always chose (he did, not the wardrobe man) extremely wide-brimmed hats, like the ridiculous one he wore as Jim Bowie in The Alamo: 13 Strays from Glory.

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:48 am
by wconly
RLC-GTT wrote: ... Also, perhaps least likely as a suggestion of his paranoia, was that he always chose (he did, not the wardrobe man) extremely wide-brimmed hats, like the ridiculous one he wore as Jim Bowie in The Alamo: 13 Strays from Glory.


You know something Rich.... this is probably the first time I have ever disagreed with you over anything, and as much as I do not like the film; "13 Days to Glory", I did like the hat! So, there :shock: ! W>

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:40 pm
by MUSTANG
When I interviewed one of the stuntmen on "Alamo", he said he was 6'4 1/4" tall. I said he was about the same height as Duke. "No," he replied. "Duke is 6'4", I'm a quarter-inch taller." And he was adamant about the difference.

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:50 pm
by RLC-GTT
MUSTANG wrote:When I interviewed one of the stuntmen on "Alamo", he said he was 6'4 1/4" tall. I said he was about the same height as Duke. "No," he replied. "Duke is 6'4", I'm a quarter-inch taller." And he was adamant about the difference.

So it depends on whether he really KNEW what Duke's real height was or if he just went with what everybody (and Duke) always said.

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:00 am
by TexianAtHeartII
In the movie Many Rivers To Cross, with Robert Taylor, Arness had a role in it and he and Taylor had a scene at a saloon where the subject was the height of Arness character. He said how people were always asking him stupid questions about his height and he was kind of tired of it. Just then, a rather small guy comes up and just stands there looking up at him. He gives Taylors character a look, like here we go again. The little guy asks him, how's the weather up there. He tells the guy, see for yourself, picks him up eye to eye, then proceeds to throw the little guy across the room.

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:57 am
by RLC-GTT
wconly wrote:
RLC-GTT wrote: ... Also, perhaps least likely as a suggestion of his paranoia, was that he always chose (he did, not the wardrobe man) extremely wide-brimmed hats, like the ridiculous one he wore as Jim Bowie in The Alamo: 13 Strays from Glory.


You know something Rich.... this is probably the first time I have ever disagreed with you over anything, and as much as I do not like the film; "13 Days to Glory", I did like the hat! So, there :shock: ! W>

It was a GREAT Matt Dillon hat. It just wasn't Jim Bowie -- nothing like that existed in 1836. But that's television.

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 4:29 pm
by NefariousNed
John Dierkes as Jocko Robertson. "I just can't do it, fellas!"

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:56 pm
by cc nolen
SantaClaus wrote:Rich, You've talked about and written about heights and how you can't always tell who's taller and how tall a person is by looking at a picture or how they look in a movie. Do you recall during HHD's 2016, at Joan Headley's party, Chris Nolen arrived and asked me how tall I was. You said something like, "Tall ain't he?" I told Chris I was about 6' 1 & 1/2", and he thought I was understating my height because he's about 6' 1 1/2", and I appeared much taller. But Chris was wearing flat sandals, and I was wearing cowboy boots and a cowboy hat. It's amazing how much a tall hat and boot heels can exaggerate one's height.
It's fun to watch Gunsmoke and see James Arness bend, stoop or slouch to fit into frame with his fellow actors. He looked great in "The Thing", especially since many of the other actors were short to medium in height.
Even if he had been available, perhaps he would have been too tall for John Wayne's "The Alamo".

:D I was 6 ft 3 inches when I was young! :shock: Now, with 5 back operations, and old age...I am just under 6' 2". :lol: :? If they keep carving on me I'll be 5' 10" before long! :o
Chris...

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:01 pm
by cc nolen
Give me a ten gal. hat and some cowboy boots and I may be 7 ft tall - :lol:

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 1:48 am
by TexianAtHeartII
cc nolen wrote:
SantaClaus wrote:Rich, You've talked about and written about heights and how you can't always tell who's taller and how tall a person is by looking at a picture or how they look in a movie. Do you recall during HHD's 2016, at Joan Headley's party, Chris Nolen arrived and asked me how tall I was. You said something like, "Tall ain't he?" I told Chris I was about 6' 1 & 1/2", and he thought I was understating my height because he's about 6' 1 1/2", and I appeared much taller. But Chris was wearing flat sandals, and I was wearing cowboy boots and a cowboy hat. It's amazing how much a tall hat and boot heels can exaggerate one's height.
It's fun to watch Gunsmoke and see James Arness bend, stoop or slouch to fit into frame with his fellow actors. He looked great in "The Thing", especially since many of the other actors were short to medium in height.
Even if he had been available, perhaps he would have been too tall for John Wayne's "The Alamo".

:D I was 6 ft 3 inches when I was young! :shock: Now, with 5 back operations, and old age...I am just under 6' 2". :lol: :? If they keep carving on me I'll be 5' 10" before long! :o
Chris...


Same here, Chris. I have been 5'8" all my adult life. The last couple of years, I've gotten smaller. Went to the doc today, they said I'm 5'6" now. I don't like it that I'm getting smaller. It might give me an inferiority complex.

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:48 am
by RLC-GTT
Think big. ;)

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:23 pm
by cc nolen
RLC-GTT wrote:Think big. ;)

I see it worked for you! :shock:

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:25 pm
by RLC-GTT
Hey! I'm... standing in a hole! (And apparently hoping a bird will land on my finger. LOL)

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 4:35 am
by MUSTANG
"Now, listen and listen tight."

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:18 am
by RLC-GTT
Ha!

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:34 am
by SantaClaus
RLC-GTT wrote:Hey! I'm... standing in a hole! (And apparently hoping a bird will land on my finger. LOL)

I thought you were saying, "Pull my finger." :lol:

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:39 pm
by RLC-GTT
No, I learned better at a very early age. LOL.

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:55 pm
by NefariousNed
This is almost more than a man can bear!

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 5:42 pm
by BigJake1979
I was just reading an article and saw a video about how Wayne learned his way of walking, speaking and well everything he did when portraying a lawman or leader from Wyatt Earp. I always thought he learned most of this from John Ford.

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:09 pm
by RLC-GTT
Simple. Every storyteller made up his own reason. ;) Wayne always said that he was inadvertently copying his hero Harry Carey.

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:16 am
by BigJake1979
RLC-GTT wrote:Simple. Every storyteller made up his own reason. ;) Wayne always said that he was inadvertently copying his hero Harry Carey.


It seems that have heard this too.

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:49 am
by TexianAtHeartII
I always heard it was actor, Paul Fix, who taught him that walking style during their 2 reeler western days.

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:48 am
by BigJake1979
TexianAtHeartII wrote:I always heard it was actor, Paul Fix, who taught him that walking style during their 2 reeler western days.

It seems that may have heard that too.

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 12:16 am
by MUSTANG
That's what I heard as well and if it's in the book, it must be true. LOL!

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:04 am
by RLC-GTT
Hahahahahahaha! :lol: Well, at least we could say it is "heavy reading." :lol: :lol:

Re: The Actors.

PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 3:32 pm
by NefariousNed
San Antonio Express News Sunday May 14, 2017