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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby MUSTANG on Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:35 am

Interesting, very early version of the script: 6/15 and 6/19. Also note the line in the sand sketch. In the 6/19 version, DICKINSON scratches a line in the sand with his scabbard, not TRAVIS.
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Just heard from Debbie Smith that Dean Smiths bio is gonna be out like March 2013! I can hardly wait! Here's what she had to say!

"Dean is doing really well he is 80 now and still rides and ropes and is still active. We miss ALamo Village very much and Virginia,
Tulisha and the whole crew. Dean has his life story coming out March 2013. It is being published by Texas Tech Press. "Cowboy Stuntman"!

Maybe we will see you at a book signing."
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Postby wconly on Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:39 am

Davy wrote:
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Just heard from Debbie Smith that Dean Smiths bio is gonna be out like March 2013! I can hardly wait! Here's what she had to say!

"Dean is doing really well he is 80 now and still rides and ropes and is still active. We miss ALamo Village very much and Virginia,
Tulisha and the whole crew. Dean has his life story coming out March 2013. It is being published by Texas Tech Press. "Cowboy Stuntman"!

Maybe we will see you at a book signing."

Now, this should be something to truly look forward too! W>
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby MUSTANG on Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:54 am

Dean said he had been working on this book for quite awhile. Numerous Alamo related stories, some, he's never shared. Can't wait.
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Postby RLC-GTT on Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:26 am

Likewise.
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby gh1836 on Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:48 am

Great posts Marty. I read Chuck Robersons book he had some interesting things to say about the making of the Alamo. Cant wait for this one either.
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby Davy on Wed Sep 05, 2012 3:06 am

MUSTANG wrote:Dean said he had been working on this book for quite awhile. Numerous Alamo related stories, some, he's never shared. Can't wait.


Indeed .. should be a great one! Maybe he will present it at the High Holy Days? :o :D
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Postby NefariousNed on Wed Sep 05, 2012 3:15 am

Well, Dean made it to the John Wayne filmfest in Snyder, Texas this past weekend, so you can never tell.

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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby NefariousNed on Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:16 am

William Clothier and John Wayne on set.
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby RLC-GTT on Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:56 am

Clothier was sometimes known as "Old Lantern Jaw."
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby michaelalamo on Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:56 am

I just read in on the CINEMA RETRO website that the assistant diector of The Alamo, Robert Relyea passed away on March 5 at 82 years of age.
This is the article from the Huffington Post.


Famed Producer Behind Hollywood Classics Dies

Los Angeles — The film producer and director whose credits included "The Magnificent Seven" and "West Side Story has died. Robert E. Relyea was 82.

A spokeswoman for Relyea says he died March 5 of natural causes in Los Angeles.

Relyea's career spanned over 40 years. He worked with stars such as John Wayne on "The Alamo" and Elvis Presley on "Jailhouse Rock."

He collaborated with Steve McQueen on several films, including "Bullitt," "Le Mans" and "The Reivers."

Relyea started as an MGM crew member in 1955 and served as president of production at MGM-United Artists from 1997 to 2001. He released his autobiography, "Not So Quiet on the Set," in 2008.

He is survived by his wife, Dorothy; five children; two stepchildren and grandchildren.
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby michaelalamo on Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:56 am

I just read in on the CINEMA RETRO website that the assistant diector of The Alamo, Robert Relyea passed away on March 5 at 82 years of age.
This is the article from the Huffington Post.


Famed Producer Behind Hollywood Classics Dies

Los Angeles — The film producer and director whose credits included "The Magnificent Seven" and "West Side Story has died. Robert E. Relyea was 82.

A spokeswoman for Relyea says he died March 5 of natural causes in Los Angeles.

Relyea's career spanned over 40 years. He worked with stars such as John Wayne on "The Alamo" and Elvis Presley on "Jailhouse Rock."

He collaborated with Steve McQueen on several films, including "Bullitt," "Le Mans" and "The Reivers."

Relyea started as an MGM crew member in 1955 and served as president of production at MGM-United Artists from 1997 to 2001. He released his autobiography, "Not So Quiet on the Set," in 2008.

He is survived by his wife, Dorothy; five children; two stepchildren and grandchildren.
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby michaelalamo on Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:57 am

Sorry for the double post !!!! Mike
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby MartyB on Mon Jan 27, 2014 3:49 pm

Of interest…

From http://www.thewaynecollection.com/portf ... -ephemera/

Captioned “The Alamo Original Sketch, 1960”...probably from the storyboard...
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby MUSTANG on Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:56 am

No doubt by John Jensen.
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby MartyB on Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:38 pm

To a man I grew to admire…

A lift of my glass to the master of outdoor color cinematography for many a western…To William H. Clothier…the acclaimed Cinematographer of THE MAN WHO SHOT LIBERTY VALANCE, THE ALAMO, McLINTOCK! and more…

Clothier was born on Feb. 21st in 1903 in Decatur, Illinois. He died in 1996 at age 92.

In 1955, Clothier filmed The Sea Chase, his first project as Director of Photography with John Wayne, after which the actor signed him to a contract with his Batjac Productions. The two went on to collaborate on 21 more films, including John Ford's The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance. He retired in 1972 after filming The Train Robbers for Burt Kennedy.

Clothier was nominated for two Academy Awards for Best Cinematography for The Alamo (1960) and Cheyenne Autumn (1964). His work on numerous Westerns earned him the 1973 Heritage Award from the Cowboy Hall of Fame, and he received the American Society of Cinematographers President's Award in 1995.

His other films…
• King Kong (1933)
• Fort Apache (1948)
• Once a Thief (1950)
• Island in the Sky (1953)
• The High and the Mighty (1954)
• Gun the Man Down (1956)
• Seven Men from Now (1956)
• Darby's Rangers (1958)
• The Horse Soldiers (1959)
• The Comancheros (1961)
• Merrill's Marauders
• The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (1962)
• McLintock! (1963)
• Donovan's Reef (1963)
• A Distant Trumpet (1964)
• Shenandoah (1965)
• The Rare Breed (1966)
• The Way West (1967)
• The Devil's Brigade (1968)
• Firecreek (1968)
• The Cheyenne Social Club (1970)
• Chisum (1970)
• Rio Lobo (1970)
• Big Jake (1971)
• The Train Robbers (1973)


TO ABSENT COMRADES!!!!
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby RLC-GTT on Wed Apr 16, 2014 5:35 pm

Great tribute. The list does leave off the silent classic silent era film Wings, first ever to win an Academy Award for Best Picture. He wasn't the D.P. He was just a cameraman, but he talked a lot about shooting. He said things were different then than when he did The Alamo and Bandolero! In later years, budgets were so tight and films so expensive to make that you shot the sky the way it was when you got to the set. If it didn't match what you shot yesterday for the same scene, tough. Tilt down and don't "see" it. When they shot Wings however, (which was filmed in San Antonio -- mostly in the sky), if they didn't have the sky they wanted when they got to location in the morning, they played baseball.
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby Travis247 on Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:48 pm

Yes- William Clothier was one of the best. That photo above of the Mexicans storming over the makeshift barricade is one of my favorite shots in this film. When I was in grammar school we got The Weekly Reader every week and one time this photo was the cover shot. I guess to promote the film about to come out. Ever notice in the movie during this scene one Mexican in the White motif has a red spot on the top of his shako, guess they couldn't make up their minds in what battalion he was in.

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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby RLC-GTT on Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:29 am

Those red spots were a mark of distinction -- for the movie extras, not the Mexican Army. John Ford took charge of a second unit that he and Denver Pyle assembled. If you got to be on "Mr. Ford's team," (designated by a red sticker on top of your shako), you were the elite. Just some John Ford hooplah, but it worked. They were proud of being a Ford Extra.
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby MartyB on Wed Jul 02, 2014 1:33 pm

Of interest…

A letter from John Wayne to his agent Charles Feldman (seen below surrounded by clients)…a paragraph deals with the movie ‘The Alamo’…

Feldman was a film producer as well as a talent agent… e managed the careers of Howard Hawks, John Wayne, George Stevens, Claudette Colbert, Irene Dunne, Charles Boyer, Lauren Bacall and many others.

Feldman pioneered the use of overlapping nonexclusive contracts with clients like Irene Dunne and Claudette Colbert, demonstrating flexible alternatives to the so-called iron-clad studio contract in the classical Hollywood era. One of the most powerful agents in Hollywood at the time, Feldman won percentages of the film's profits for his clients. Feldman held considerable sway in the making of some films, it was Feldman who suggested to Jack Warner (as a friend) that he recut Howard Hawks's ‘Big Sleep’ and add scenes to enhance Bacall's performance, which he felt was more or less a 'bit part' in the 1945 cut…The rest, as they say, was history…….

Among some of Feldman's more notable films: the Orson Welles Macbeth (1948), The Glass Menagerie (1950), A Streetcar Named Desire (1951) which was nominated for an Academy Award, The Seven Year Itch (1955), What's New Pussycat? (1965), The Group (1966), The Honey Pot (1967) and the satirical James Bond film adaptation Casino Royale (1967).
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby MUSTANG on Fri Jul 04, 2014 3:10 am

Well, I don't know about the "haven't had one unusually hot day" but the Del Rio News Herald said the high that week was around 92 or so. Of course, that's not that warm in Texas!
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby RLC-GTT on Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:06 am

MUSTANG wrote:Well, I don't know about the "haven't had one unusually hot day" but the Del Rio News Herald said the high that week was around 92 or so. Of course, that's not that warm in Texas!

Nah! That's springtime temperatures. 104 and beyond is August and into September usually. Just wait till Duke starts walking through Las Moras Creek at night in 40 degree temperatures! Of course, with Capucine on the set, it might feel warmer. :lol:
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby NefariousNed on Wed Sep 03, 2014 3:44 am

John Wayne had enlisted Jack Pennick, a US Marine in WWI and Chief Petty Officer in the US Navy in WWII, to drill the extras in
THE ALAMO. (From Frank Thompson's book, "ALAMO MOVIES", 1991.)
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby gh1836 on Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:12 pm

Was a death scene for sargeant Lightfoot (Jack Pennick) ever filmed?
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby NefariousNed on Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:48 pm

gh1836 wrote:Was a death scene for sargeant Lightfoot (Jack Pennick) ever filmed?

Don't know? Maybe it will be mentioned in John Farkis' upcoming book?
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby NefariousNed on Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:53 pm

LIFE Magazine and movie still photgrapher Phil Stern dies at 95

Rick wrote:Image

alamocentral wrote:Dear Friends,
Please allow me to gush over my own still!!!! The first image in the second batch Rick put up, shows Crockett
and the Tennesseans riding through the long grass. Along with the group shot(s) in front of the chapel, it is my
favorite Alamo image. It was shot by my friend, and LIFE photographer Phil Stern. It is a 2-1/4 square BW
negative, with neg no. PS-66-5. You can hear Tiomkin's music when looking at this one! In case you're unclear
on the line-up here, from left to right are, Chuck Roberson, John Wayne, Chuck Hayward, Tom Hennessy, and
John "Bear" Hudkins on the far right. Good Chuck is the one smoking his pipe. Wayne had "Ford Luck" that day,
in so far as dramatic clouds! The camera gods were feeling generous.
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Just now from Frank Thompson:

I was fortunate to have met Phil Stern a few times and to have had some delightful conversations about his work.
One time, soon after we moved to L.A., Claire and I were at a brunch attended entirely by old Commies who had
survived the blacklist. I asked Stern about working with John Wayne on "The Alamo" and he told me how much
he loved Wayne despite the fact that they had opposite political views. Before long, the others were chiming in
about how much they liked and admired Wayne, too. I was surprised but gratified to meet so many people who
valued honesty and integrity over political dogma.

Stern was a brilliant photographer and he will be missed.
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby MUSTANG on Tue Dec 16, 2014 3:09 am

Sorry to hear this. He was a brilliant photographer.
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby NefariousNed on Sat May 07, 2016 12:45 am

Carrying this over from the "Your Personally Autographed Items" thread in the "Movies & Television" section.
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RLC-GTT wrote:He (Lon Tinkle) and Frank Dobie were not happy campers on John Wayne's set. When they would come out, Wayne would make a big deal out of the sets
and scenes, and Dobie would deliberately pay more attention to the Texas Longhorns. Once he even pointed to a Longhorn and commented in Wayne's
presence, "HERE is where the history is!" I used to have a book (haven't seen it in 40 years) that was written by Lon Tinkle that had a whole chapter in
it about being on the Alamo set with Dobie and how they were both used and abused. I believe the goal on Wayne's part was to use them for their name
value only so his publicity could say "We had two of the best historians on the set."


While this may, or may not be the book you are thinking of Rich, here's what Tinkle has to say about Dobie's visit to the set of THE ALAMO in Lon Tinkle's
"J. Frank Dobie: The Makings Of An Ample Mind" 1968, The Encino Press, Austin.

"Once when we were flying in a Piper Cub between San Antonio and Brackettville, for a visit to John Wayne's Alamo in process of being filmed,
he interpreted to me all the patterns on the land below, reading the deer tracks on the ground as he might have read place names on a map.
During the entire trip, he found nature more rewarding than movie stars or Hollywood moguls or the many involved mechanical gadgets used
in the movie-making, or so it seemed. He preferred studying an old mesquite tree of fantastic configuration to being photographed with the
movie stars. When I reported after the first night in Fort Clark that I had seen skunks prowling around in the moonlight on the greensward in
front of the commissary just before I went to bed, Dobie deplored the fact that his room was on the ground floor and gave less chance of such
observation. He claimed he stayed awake a good part of the next night hoping to see them return, but no such luck.

But when we came away, I was startled at how much human inventory Dobie had been taking. We had lunch with John Wayne and several other
of the name stars, went to a cocktail party at Wayne's house in the resort combine, ate meals again with several of the actors and staff, spent
a couple of days on "location" or on the set. Frank hardly stopped talking on the flight back. He had described nature on the way over; coming
home, he was offering capsule psychological portraits of the sharpest acumen, with clairvoyant glimpses of human nature. Some were barbed,
some were bemused, some sardonic (as of Laurence Harvey), and all of singular justice, I thought.

The picturesque Dobie had indeed been present all during the trip; he had delighted nearly everyone, and especially John Wayne, with his genuine
and immediate charm; and the "Duke", as everyone calls Wayne, had treated him regally as a "grand old man". Inside himself, Frank Dobie was
steadily contemplating, almost effforlessly, it would seem. Not judging, actually just contemplating."

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From the book, "J. Frank Dobie: The Makings Of An Ample Mind" by Lon Tinkle 1968, The
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby RLC-GTT on Sat May 07, 2016 1:59 am

That's the book. I remember the photo too. But it still doesn't seem to be the part that I read about Dobie. Tinkle described his making deliberate mockery of James Edward Grant (I believe, Grant, and not Wayne) by ignoring all the things he was being shown regarding the wonderful set and movie making and making a big deal about the Texas Longhorns and the cactus bushes. "THIS is history," he said. That must be in that book somewhere, although maybe I'm wrong in remembering that it was a whole chapter.
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Postby NefariousNed on Sat May 07, 2016 3:22 am

This short book (56 pages, including the photos) reads more like an essay on Dobie's life with no chapters at all. Limited to 500 signed copies.
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Postby RLC-GTT on Sat May 07, 2016 4:28 am

NefariousNed wrote:This short book (56 pages, including the photos) reads more like an essay on Dobie's life with no chapters at all. Limited to 500 signed copies.

O.K. then. That IS a different book. The one I had was at least 150 pages long and hardbound -- a formal book. It was about Dobie and written by Tinkle.
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby NefariousNed on Sat May 07, 2016 4:35 am

RLC-GTT wrote:
NefariousNed wrote:This short book (56 pages, including the photos) reads more like an essay on Dobie's life with no chapters at all. Limited to 500 signed copies.

O.K. then. That IS a different book. The one I had was at least 150 pages long and hardbound -- a formal book. It was about Dobie and written by Tinkle.

Well, this one is hardbound as well and written by Tinkle, so I sorta got confused when you mentioned your book.
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Postby RLC-GTT on Sat May 07, 2016 4:36 am

Found it (or rather, which book it is). 264 pages long.
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Postby NefariousNed on Sat May 07, 2016 4:40 am

RLC-GTT wrote:Found it (or rather, which book it is). 264 pages long.

Thanks.
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby MUSTANG on Sun May 08, 2016 1:21 am

That's the book I used for some of the Dobie stories in my book.
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby AlamoAaron on Mon May 09, 2016 7:33 pm

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The amazing three: John Wayne, Dimitri Tiomkin and James Edward Grant.


I beg to differ...James E. Grant wasn't so great...meaning his script... :? ;)
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Postby RLC-GTT on Mon May 09, 2016 7:49 pm

I immediately found it hilarious that Birdwell's publicity praised Grant as "a miser with words." That, of course, is why he gave us those very "short" monologues in The Alamo, Hondo and McLintock! "Republic! I like the sound of the words words words words........."
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby Buckshot on Mon May 09, 2016 9:05 pm

RLC-GTT wrote:I immediately found it hilarious that Birdwell's publicity praised Grant as "a miser with words." That, of course, is why he gave us those very "short" monologues in [i]The Alamo, Hondo and McLintock! "Republic! I like the sound of the words words words words........."


I have often wondered how Grant's dialogue in the script for The Alamo became so "stilted"....he supposedly collaborated with Wayne on at least 12 films, and wrote scripts for dozens of others....maybe he was writing what he thought Wayne wanted him to write?
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby RLC-GTT on Mon May 09, 2016 9:27 pm

Buckshot wrote:
RLC-GTT wrote:I immediately found it hilarious that Birdwell's publicity praised Grant as "a miser with words." That, of course, is why he gave us those very "short" monologues in [i]The Alamo, Hondo and McLintock! "Republic! I like the sound of the words words words words........."


I have often wondered how Grant's dialogue in the script for The Alamo became so "stilted"....he supposedly collaborated with Wayne on at least 12 films, and wrote scripts for dozens of others....maybe he was writing what he thought Wayne wanted him to write?


I think it was sort of the opposite. Wayne trusted Grant to do a pretty historically correct version, but Grant chose to ignore (or reverse) facts -- and used it as a platform for his own "message." It's also funny to catch on to an occasional writing crutch (every writer has 'em). Grant had a tendency to begin certain lines of dialogue (in this and other movies) with the phrase, "It's as simple as this..."
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Re: People Involved In The Production Of The Film.

Postby MUSTANG on Tue May 10, 2016 1:04 am

I have a slightly different opinion. Don't forget. This was a message movie. Despite what he said, Wayne didn't particularly care if the facts weren't 100% correct. It was the message that was important. Grant knew what Wayne wanted to say, and knew how he wanted to say it. If Wayne wanted the dialogue changed,Wayne changed it. And he did change some. He knew the script backwards and forwards. Sure, some of the scenes were excruciatingly long, no miser there, but Wayne kept them in. An analysis of over a dozen script iterations showed how some of the various speeches were subtly modified; a word here, a sentence there.
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