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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby AlamoMo on Tue May 05, 2009 5:53 pm

WOW Superb photos Ned

Many thanks for posting

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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby gambler on Tue May 05, 2009 6:18 pm

Great shots ! Thanx Nef !!!
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby MUSTANG on Tue May 05, 2009 6:31 pm

Not bad Nefster!!!
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby Seguin on Thu May 07, 2009 1:26 am

Great pics, Nef! It´s interesting to see the building process...
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby wconly on Thu May 07, 2009 2:58 am

Seguin wrote:Great pics, Nef! It´s interesting to see the building process...


Yes...it makes one wish we could go back in time and watch it go up. Or throw in a stone or two of our own! W>
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby RLC-GTT on Thu May 07, 2009 3:22 am

alamobill wrote:Great pictures Nef. I don't believe I have ever seen these. It amazes me how pictures keep appearing on this site which
I have never seen before. Makes you wonder how many more might be out there.


You have never seen them before! How about me! And I've lived and worked here most of my life! Where DO you come up with these, Nef. (And don't stop.) ;)
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby RLC-GTT on Thu May 07, 2009 3:24 am

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And you'll notice the flooded spot that Ybarra placed in the correct place! And Wayne didn't even know the name Col Romero! :lol:
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby RLC-GTT on Thu May 07, 2009 3:35 am

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And this also gives you a great view of Joan O'Brien's walk-out path. Straight out the road from the west wall, around the tank (lake) to the
right and up the far hill at the right edge of the photo. Now that whole low area is grown over with scrub growth.
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby RLC-GTT on Thu May 07, 2009 3:40 am

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According to Ybarra's blueprints, the rear wall and gate that are missing in the photo were meant to be missing. They are not on the ground plan. You can see how he arranged the two walls inside the "connecting wall" gateway so that the camera looking into the gate would not see past them and into the non-courtyard. My guess is that the scene from Crockett's Company's point-of-view from the top of Parson's Hill was added at a very late point and Wayne asked Ybarra to give him something facing the hill too. That's why the added wall and gate are incorrectly angled toward the hill. It's art; not history. And Wayne and Clothier could still do an angle on the rear of the church, if they wanted to, and have enough wall to the right so they didn't have to "choke" the frame -- shoot it closer or narrower than they wanted. Of course, this wonderful *Alamo* angle seems to have never dawned on filmmakers until.... Bad Girls.
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby BERNAL on Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:35 pm

TO THE FANATIC SITE PEOPLE AND EVERY BUFFS OF THE MOMORAMA !!
in advance a very loud «Muchas, Muchas Gratias !» to every one who will have the extreme kindness to put in this site an complete and accurate map of the «1959 YBARAMA»

To make clear in what poverty we are at this subject, in our remote areas, is exposed here, shooted from
one of them old countries way over in Europe, the hard poor following item, a just under a caption of
a «Gary-Popeye’s drawing» and a little more proportionate than a «Marmaduke plat», all in all a total
of not very serious and expired compilations and, what is not better, in a very tired printing.

1959 YBARAMA AS «FORTE-DEL-POPOLO» IN THE WAYNAMO CASTING:
N1-«LONG-WINDED» FIRST BATTERY, WILL’S 2 GUNS : 17-TREVINO HOUSE (HERE LIKE « MOVED TO THE SOUTH»)
-«ONE OF THESE 6 PDRS» (CASTING THE « EIGHTEEN » ONE ?) m-BED JUST FOR KNOCKING
-«ACROSS FALLING A CROSS » (CASTING THE «COME-AND-TAKE-IT» ?) n-BED JUST FOR SHOWERING
a-« THE DOORS » JUST FOR NAILING o-CUSTOMS OFFICE (countreband postage)
1-EVANS’FIREWORK SHOOP (EMILIAN POLVERA) 18-LOSOYO HOUSE (HAPPY McDO-COVER-TO-LADIES)
2-SUTHERLAND’S (BILL HENRY’SMOKEHOUSE) 19-DYNAMITO-BADABOUM-YOUPI
3-BUNKER TEXACO (NONCOMBATANTS WAREHOUSE) 20-CHARLI WORKHOUSE (HERE « DRAGED TO THE NORTH»)
4-VOLLEY-GUN BALL-TRAP p-GRANT-AND-CO FORGERY
b-BED FOR TO DIE q-PRACTICABLE SKULLY (THE GUNNER)
5-NO-PASSING-FOR-MEAT PANTRY 21-GOLGOTHA DICKINSON (PETRUS’STYLE)
c-DUNLOPILLO CARRY-ON-SENTRY r-NOT-TO-SEE PRACTICABLE MULDER (THE SNIPPER)
N2-«THREE-BLIND-MICE» GUNNADES SECOND BATTERY N4-«ROD-SERLING» FOURTH BATTERY (DICK’S 3 GUNS)
6-BEDSPRING GAMBLER 22-PLANCHES ASTERIX (FLOOR FOR IRREDUCIBLE TEXANS)
d-COVER-BED JUST FOR MENDING s-TAGADA STARBUCK
7-BATJAC LIBERTY BELL (JAMED, NO CRACKED) t-OLD-THUNDER BURNING BUSH
8-MAMACITA BROKEN-DOWN CANTINA («IT DO !») 23-’SWEEP-STEP BARBETTE
9-WHO-GO-THERE QUARTERS 24-« THERE-SHE-BLOWS !» LOOKOUT
N7-«WHO GOES THERE» SEVENTH BATTERY (FINN’S 2 GUNS) 25-EDISON CENTER’S COVER-TO-LADIES
10-ROOM IT IS NOT KNOW WHAT FOR 25 bis OTHER COVERS-TO-LADIES (ALL SOBER)
11-« FROM-OVER-HERE ! » LOOKOUT 26-BEEKEEPER RESTROOM (cf. the HONEY ASSUMPTION)
12-KINBAKU-BI LOOKOUT (so sorry for the riazul drawing of its «oblique rempart»)
N6-«BY-YOUR-LEAVE» SIXTH BATTERY (JOCKO’S 3 GUNS) 27-KICKING-ACE HISTORIC GAP
13-PLANCHES PARSON (PARSON’S PLANKS) N3-«JUNIOR’S» THIRD BATTERY (BONHAM’S 8 GUNS)
14-MISTER HANKEY’SPRINGBOARD (FOR INSIDE) 28-PRE-POMPEIAN TUMULUS
e- BULLFALO-GRILL (JOCKO’S «FUNERAL PYRE ») 29-WELL STYLED COPINI (FOR COLD STEW COOKING)
f-JIMMY-SWAGGART JALEO-BLUES PLAZZA («LA FOLIA») u-TWO-TENDERS’LEVEL
g-CENTRAL (H)EATING BEDROOM (IT DO !) 30-DUMMY CLINIC
h-WELL JUST WELL FOR BREAKFEAST NOT GOOD FOR TAR OUT v-DICE-CORN-BOX (FOR INKED KERNEL DRAW-SRAWS)
15- SIN FEIN SRINGBREAK (FOR OUTSIDE) 31-FUNERARIUM LOSOYO (FOR CALLEIA, STRAW-WINNER)
16-THE OWL: i j k l 32-AVALON PRIVATE HOSPITAL
i-HOPFROG (SNIPPERS’LADDERS) 33-BODEGA DICKINSON
j-ARCH-PIPELINE (TO THE ORIENTALS POUNDS) w-UBIQUE GATE’S WINDOW (Take care Bill!)
k-LOOPING-GUN (Post-Production Fairground Attraction ?) 34-STAIRWELL & SHIRT (FOR MARSH-SHIELD-BIRD DUNGEON)
l-STEPS OF HONOR (worth remembering) 35-SABINA-PIZARO-LINE DRIVE-IN
N5-«SERENADE» FITH BATTERY (3 QUITE INVISIBLE GUNS) 36-BULL’S LAST CROCKETTERIES
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby BERNAL on Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:52 pm

17-TREVINO HOUSE (HERE LIKE « MOVED TO THE SOUTH»)
m-BED JUST FOR KNOCKING
n-BED JUST FOR SHOWERING
o-CUSTOMS OFFICE (countreband postage)
18-LOSOYO HOUSE (HAPPY McDO-COVER-TO-LADIES)
19-DYNAMITO-BADABOUM-YOUPI
20-CHARLI WORKHOUSE (HERE « DRAGED TO THE NORTH»)
p-GRANT-AND-CO FORGERY
q-PRACTICABLE SKULLY (THE GUNNER)
21-GOLGOTHA DICKINSON (PETRUS’STYLE)
r-NOT-TO-SEE PRACTICABLE MULDER (THE SNIPPER)
N4-«ROD-SERLING» FOURTH BATTERY (DICK’S 3 GUNS)
22-PLANCHES ASTERIX (FLOOR FOR IRREDUCIBLE TEXANS)
s-TAGADA STARBUCK
t-OLD-THUNDER BURNING BUSH
23-’SWEEP-STEP BARBETTE
24-« THERE-SHE-BLOWS !» LOOKOUT
25-EDISON CENTER’S COVER-TO-LADIES
25 bis OTHER COVERS-TO-LADIES (ALL SOBER)
26-BEEKEEPER RESTROOM (cf. the HONEY ASSUMPTION)
(so sorry for the riazul drawing of its «oblique rempart»)
27-KICKING-ACE HISTORIC GAP
N3-«JUNIOR’S» THIRD BATTERY (BONHAM’S 8 GUNS)
28-PRE-POMPEIAN TUMULUS
29-WELL STYLED COPINI (FOR COLD STEW COOKING)
u-TWO-TENDERS’LEVEL
30-DUMMY CLINIC
v-DICE-CORN-BOX (FOR INKED KERNEL DRAW-SRAWS)
31-FUNERARIUM LOSOYO (FOR CALLEIA, STRAW-WINNER)
32-AVALON PRIVATE HOSPITAL
33-BODEGA DICKINSON
w-UBIQUE GATE’S WINDOW (take care Bill !")
34-STAIRWELL & SHIRT (FOR MARSH-SHIELD-BIRD DUNGEON)
35-SABINA-PIZARO-LINE DRIVE-IN
36-BULL’S LAST CROCKETTERIES
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby BERNAL on Mon Jun 15, 2009 9:00 pm

I'm so sorry, once more timed "Chicken in the breadpan kickin' up the corn"!
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby BERNAL on Mon Jun 15, 2009 9:09 pm

N1-«LONG-WINDED» FIRST BATTERY, WILL’S 2 GUNS :
-«ONE OF THESE 6 PDRS» (CASTING THE « EIGHTEEN » ONE ?)
-«ACROSS FALLING A CROSS » (CASTING THE «COME-AND-TAKE-IT» ?)
a-« THE DOORS » JUST FOR NAILING
1-EVANS’FIREWORK SHOOP (EMILIAN POLVERA)
2-SUTHERLAND’S (BILL HENRY’SMOKEHOUSE)
3-BUNKER TEXACO (NONCOMBATANTS WAREHOUSE)
4-VOLLEY-GUN BALL-TRAP
b-BED FOR TO DIE
5-NO-PASSING-FOR-MEAT PANTRY
c-DUNLOPILLO CARRY-ON-SENTRY
N2-«THREE-BLIND-MICE» GUNNADES SECOND BATTERY
6-BEDSPRING GAMBLER
d-COVER-BED JUST FOR MENDING
7-BATJAC LIBERTY BELL (JAMED, NO CRACKED)
8-MAMACITA BROKEN-DOWN CANTINA («IT DO !»)
9-WHO-GO-THERE QUARTERS
N7-«WHO GOES THERE» SEVENTH BATTERY (FINN’S 2 GUNS)
10-ROOM IT IS NOT KNOW WHAT FOR
11-« FROM-OVER-HERE ! » LOOKOUT
12-KINBAKU-BI LOOKOUT
N6-«BY-YOUR-LEAVE» SIXTH BATTERY (JOCKO’S 3 GUNS)
13-PLANCHES PARSON (PARSON’S PLANKS)
14-MISTER HANKEY’SPRINGBOARD (FOR INSIDE)
e- BULLFALO-GRILL (JOCKO’S «FUNERAL PYRE »)
f-JIMMY-SWAGGART JALEO-BLUES PLAZZA («LA FOLIA»)
g-CENTRAL (H)EATING BEDROOM (IT DO !)
h-WELL JUST WELL FOR BREAKFEAST NOT GOOD FOR TAR OUT
15- SIN FEIN SRINGBREAK (FOR OUTSIDE)
16-THE OWL: i j k l
i-HOPFROG (SNIPPERS’LADDERS)
j-ARCH-PIPELINE (TO THE ORIENTALS POUNDS)
k-LOOPING-GUN (Post-Production Fairground Attraction ?)
l-STEPS OF HONOR (worth remembering)
N5-«SERENADE» FITH BATTERY (3 QUITE INVISIBLE GUNS)

I hope it will be more comfortable presented as it
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby BERNAL on Mon Jun 15, 2009 9:17 pm

I had try to make a East-West presentation for the key. It not do!
I finally settle for a North South (one "after before").
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby BERNAL on Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:34 pm

SOME ADDITIONAL AND «ILLUMINATI» KEYS FOR THE ILLUMINATION OF
THE PREVIOUS KEY
(AND « SOME A LOT » OF LOUD SOUNDING WORDS FOR THE « BIG ONE »)

THE OWL HERE GUARDING THE THIN «THERMOPYLES» PASS BESIDE THE SEA-POND
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby BERNAL on Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:34 pm

THE« OWL » FROM BESIEGING POSITION OF THE 1821-THREE GARANTIES (Independance, Catholicism and
Bloods’Union ) FLAG-POLE.
The « owl » is the ghostly appearance of the head of the athenian bird formed, in this view,
by the sky-line of the central ruined part of the west wall between Bowie and Crockett’s quarters
and the openings of second story of the Travis‘«dungeon», a butress forming the raptor beak.
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby BERNAL on Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:39 pm

THE« OWL » (THE HOPFROG, THE LOOPING-GUN AND THE STAIRS-OF-HONNOR FOR REMEMBERING)
FROM THE BESIEGED POSITION OF THE WAYNAMO DIMMITT FLAG POLE (« SANTANISTA CONSTITUTION » OF 1824)
Here the contours of the « bird » of « Greece Independance 1821 Spirit » are almost as ghostly
as certain loud words of some another and « ducal » spirit pronounced, in 1959, just below the
« espaldon » featured by el señor Ybarra (loué soit son nom !) as pre-copini-mausoleum.
Perhaps you don’t realize that, but here the Owl blinks of the eye, because the embrasure of the
Looping-gun has not yet been cut in the wall-folder Thimblerig, contrary to the previous view.
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby BERNAL on Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:40 pm

THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN ON THE STEPS OF HONOR AGAINST CALVERISTA BANDOLEROS
(seven when including Morrison, of course)
This shot (possibly a salute to the John Sturges’ contemporary production), ademas the famous
waynic pelvic rotation signature, is an authentic ethymologic manifest.
Indeed, in ancient french language, the CROC, of Crockett name fame, has two senses.
-first it means a sort of hook, a stick after which it was adapted, to strengthen it, one or more
pieces of iron. The verb CROQUER (in english CRUNCH) means to hit with a CROC, and CROQUANT
often refers to revolted peasants (ie rebels) who with no right to possess weapons have the only
«argument» of their railed sticks.
-besides CROC is a toponym designating a small summit, a small hill (like here the flag-pole moat)
which gave the anglicization CROCKETT. Maybe that word combined with the french MONTAGNE
(the english MOUNTAIN) gave the name Crocketagne encountered in the Southwest of France in
the early seventeenth century.
Dungeon and Dragon : on the top of his dungeon-moat Batjac, Crocketagne, Crockett, the Duke
croquant (hitting), with his croc (steel-woody made Betsy), croque (hits) a Toltec dragoon.
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby BERNAL on Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:41 pm

«TENEO LUPI AURIBUS CUM TRIPENDIBUS AD GRAPHITOLANDUM»
« Je tiens des loups par les oreilles avec des tripes devant être graphitées »
Note the discreet allusion to the irish fratricidal struggles of the heroic Eirin brought in this
scene by the subtle detail of the "San Patricio" green color at the roundel of the climbing shako
in the extreme right. Finn (come from the Low-barracks) is above one of the two Uncle Davy’s
cabins. Unlike his alter ego the destruction of this bungalo is quite mysterious, as the broken-down
of the Bowy-Home. The Susannah-Pass-Exit’s explanation is a joke, a (bad) tale for children and
a bunkum and bosh. The Donkey-Party goes throw largely by the Hanke-Breach.
Another explanation will be at once! « It’s my opinion » that, for the sake of historicity, it twas
left save on the west wall after the « Reactment » only the four doors that Marmaduke Potter
noticed on his famous plat, plat which, with proportions, was by the way, re-drawing by the Batjac.
To the left of the « San Patricio trooper » you guess the Looping-gun location at the « Owl », as
the Bowy-Home. Upon the Looping-gun we can see the Grinsberg (a "Parson-carronade") coming
here to replace the Too-Shuss (one of «Theese five six-pouders») gone « nose and beard » of
the dearly It-do. Behind the «blood-tagger» Mexican officer, one of the «hopfrog-snippers» come
here, loan for the fishing rod of a « mexican bayoneting »
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby BERNAL on Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:42 pm

On the Losoyo roof, just behind the retreating Texans, toppled like a captured chess-piece
(a typical behaviour for many Batjac items in this movie) and simmering inside a fog of war
(but its right two casters very visible) is the Top-Gun, the third canon of the «Battery Fifth».
It seems that more than a mortar it is a «gallopin-gun», one of the two defending the main gate,
coming here to starring another piece of ordnance character.
Note in the backround, between column of smoke and pyroclastic flow, the provisional texan
vacuity of the Astérix planks. The protean-second-condellan-gun is surely for something in this
temporary emptiness. But this does not continue and despite the relentless rush of the Santanistas
the small Tex-garison of the stone-walling scaffolding will reappear soon as dog-tooth.
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby BERNAL on Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:43 pm

THE PRACTICABLE M(O)ULDER The Bandana party is recharging the Sully-gun (another one of
«Theese five six-pouders»), the gunner Scully is at the hole during the swabing of the barrel.
Beetween the two busstresses is a practicable that we could never see but on the « reality »
of which are now standing two snippers « the m(o)ulders two » (see theirs yet shaped mud-
lego-bricks on the parapet of Condelle). At the call of the bouffarel (word for buggler in the
Provencals of the South of France) or bourou-fierra (as said the Bambaras of West Mali) six
magnificents hurry up to the barbette from which they will go to the Twilight Zone, as will
« show » us the following plan (the bursted dummy gun one).
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby BERNAL on Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:45 pm

About Condelle, here we see this barbette playing the location of that of the 18 pdr in the morning (in fact
a late afternoon which was filmed there) on March 6. Behind Jocko are two of the incontournable ones of
the Crockett gang.
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby BERNAL on Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:46 pm

The same Jocko, with two of the same guys, in the same place and quite surely at the same time (no cloud
in the sky) but script-dated on March 3. Jocko here is not supposed to look to the east but to the south
toward San Anton. In fact Jocko is on the barbette "NW" located in the SE of the Waynamo set and he looks
to the West in the direction of the Elysean fields, where he is expected to arrive in a « couple of days » if
we are on the march 3 and shortly if we are on the 6. Jocko is almost certainly a customization of Louis
Rose but a Louis Rose whose ubiquity symbolic replace the legendary usual : a « Rose-line » is drawn by
Travis in the Waynamo, but it is one to convince Crockett to remain, not the legendary line which allowed
Moses to leave. One example where the delirious Grant-script is, intentionally or not, historiographicly
rigorous. Jocko Robertson is the first «hight private» of the garrison had to be seen (at the head of Houston’s
column). This is the first to go with Houston while the first staying besides Bowie (always at the head of the
column). It seems the first one (with four or five others) of the defenders to be shot during the final battle
and surely the last one of the garrison to be seen during the Monkey-party treck. At this time he is based on
the back and upon a bold symbol of the famous funeral pyre where he "replaced" a Papy Mougeot (a sort of
Old timer in french language) who fell on the belly upon the same buffalo grill during the eviscerating of the
the Crockett’speak-easy.
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby BERNAL on Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:48 pm

THE UBIQUE (AND GROSSLY INTACT AFTER THE « FIRST ATTACK ») DICK-WINDOW AND ITS SECRET MEANING
DURING THE ACME SCENE OF THE WAYNAMO SCRIPT

to the right (toward the « east ») Dick and Will (the Dioscure-beginning of the « Fall ») take place on both side
of a («politicaly correct») Mexican who are taking possession of the Dick’s window so prophesying the first
breach, the northern one.
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby BERNAL on Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:49 pm

to the left (toward the « west ») Widy on the surgical table compose a double trinity -with Wayni (the baptistry),
Willy-Doc (the apse) and himself (the sacristy), the trinity-end of the fall -with Jocko and Almeron the «trinity-
west wall» (Jocko for the «Eighteen» gun mound, Bowie for the looping-gun and Dick for Terran), « west-wall »
in which at the « right place » the same window prophesying the second breach (the Jocko pyre-Susannah gap).
Two NCO (Irish-Belly and Light-Foot) cast the south-north wall of this zozoteric Plaza-drawing
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby BERNAL on Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:50 pm

« For Me » two dummies here ! Enfin quoi ! Regardez-moi ces chapeaux !(What finally! Look at the hats!)
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby NefariousNed on Tue Jun 16, 2009 3:33 pm

Yeah, Bernal, for supposing to be 'Crockett's Tennesseans', those guys certainly did get scattered all
around the compound during the final assault. For some reason, Gambler is killed during the explosion
on the Long Barrack roof. (Travis' headquarters.)

As to your last photo (with the dummies), I still only see one there, behind ''Big Boy" Williams. Could you
please point out the other?
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby Seguin on Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:37 pm

Nice pics, Bernal! Thanks...

As to your last photo (with the dummies), I still only see one there, behind ''Big Boy" Williams. Could you
please point out the other?


Could it be the "guy" to the left of the dummy, the one with the hat placed on the back of the head so you can´t see his neck?
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby BERNAL on Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:14 am

Mais c'est ça !
C'est parfaitement ça !
C'est l'évidence même!
ie: the Seguin do!
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby BERNAL on Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:18 am

"for supposing to be 'Crockett's Tennesseans', those guys certainly did get scattered all around the compound during the final assault."
Yeah...I think so ! Take for example (but I surely learn you nothing) the very beginning of the Final Battle sequence:
1- sunrise (in fact sunset and this is symbolic) behind the chapel
of the garrison is only visible one man and two guns:
the 6 pdr "Shorty" and under the cross the little "Kenny" (yet assumed destroyed during the right frontal attack, but...)
2-Reverse of North Front with on the Asterix Planks three "Texans" y four "Tejanos", inside Terran six "Texans",
and on the "There-she-blows" lookoot one "Texan" NCO and two riflemen
(for a long drive-Frazee-reader: Evans, Dan Bourne, Dick Star, Guerrero Seguin's and Gonzales men).
Note that the Terran garrison is closed up by two timbers as if we were to serve as in a prestidigitation trick:
"They can not leave from here!" (not only from the deguello-script, but also from this very spot).
3-stakes of the "oriental" part of Terran barbette and on the "There-she-blows" inside corner a Crockett-gang sentinel
(I dont' say one of the "23", but simply a racoon-hated) had took the place of the "Texan NCO"
and suddenly shouts something like: "Moby Dick in sight!"
just before to designate the inside of Terran as if to say: "canoes!"
Note that somebody is moving behind the stakes of Terran, surely one of the garrison seen in "2".
4-the Terran-canoe barbette is open and empty, the two timbers gone away, the garrison also
and to fill this sudden gap arrive at double-quick step the incontournable ones,
and this time not insignificant coonskined ones but first choice VIP: Bull, It-do, Chuck and so on.
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby BERNAL on Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:19 pm

William Carey' s band (his two 8 pdrs, the "Rod Serlings", are yet in Twilight Zone) before the cooskin tide-over.
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby NefariousNed on Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:18 am

You're right! Where did the 2 cannon on the centre platform go? Was this a staged shot where a line of defenders would be seen
waiting on the wall in silhouette, rifles poised. (and then, directly afterwards, the two guns get rolled back into place?)

I believe that Rich pointed out a similar situation regarding the platform near the SW corner. First, it just appears to be another
rifleman platform, but during the assault, all of a sudden there are two naval guns there.

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No cannon here on the SW platform.

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Two cannon here on the SW platform.
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby MUSTANG on Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:51 pm

Re; the dummies over the main gate. There were two dummies used. Home movies taken at the time clearly show laborers taking two dummies up the stairs by the main gate just before the final assault was filmed.
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby BERNAL on Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:12 am

Well thank you for so documented kick, dear mister Mustang.
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby BERNAL on Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:31 am

I am not sure that they were only 14 effective "fake guns" on the Ybarama set. This very nice black and white photo founded some days ago on the Wondermomoland, and showing the set ready and full armed, make me doubt. It seems that at any moment of the movie they can see more than three 6pdr (Gribeauval field gun carriage)and more precisely at the same time the canon of the "18-Barbette" and his "fellow" of the flag-pole-mount.
In the photo above it appears that they are actually 4 such guns: at the chapel-corner, the barbette SW, the mount and the Condelle fort.
If some helping Buff-Mustang could clarify the issue "I’d be pleased".
But "14" is a "gound round number", the Potter artillery one, and there is like a systematic distribution among these 14 guns:
North Front: 3 pieces of "8pdrs": 24 pounds
South front: 6 pieces of "4pdrs" : 24 pounds
a double rhyme with 1824, with "3-6" pieces"
Eastern Front: 3 pieces of "12pdrs": 36 pounds
a double rhyme with the 12 days(1) of 1836
West front: a 18pdr and a 12pdr carronade: 30 pounds
30, number of atonement, sacrifice, martyrdom implemented by the activists of New Orleans,
is well placed on the west side (Finn, Jocko, Atheist' side), sunset side to the hereafter.
(1) OK they are 13 dates-days, but from the morning of the february 22 to that one of the march 6, there is only 12 x 24 hours
(2) the two guns New-Orleans Grays
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby BERNAL on Sat Jun 20, 2009 4:58 pm

Fist vision and, pushed and pulled, The "Black Kettle"
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby BERNAL on Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:06 pm

Half a "Kenny" (as always very discreet), tied up "Shorty" and on the right the (zoll) "Ginsberg".
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby NefariousNed on Sat Jun 20, 2009 6:20 pm

Very nice diagram of the Waynamo compound and its artillery emplacements, Bernal, thanks. You must've really done your homework.
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby NefariousNed on Sat Jun 20, 2009 6:23 pm

Oh, on your last post, the profile of the south wall photo looks just like one of Laurence Golbey's paintings.
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Re: The Film Set & Location.

Postby Seguin on Sun Jun 21, 2009 3:58 am

Very good diagram over the Waynamo cannons, Bernal! Well done...
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