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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby MartyB on Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:04 am

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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby RLC-GTT on Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:44 am

One of my favorites.
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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby Rick on Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:39 am

RLC-GTT wrote:I really lucked-out as one of 250 extras in Bandolero! in 1967 when we were shooting the hanging sequence in the plaza. On one of the three days it took to shoot the whole sequence, I was sitting on top of the wall of the jail in the deep background of Clothier's camera angle looking at Dean Martin and Jimmy Stewart on the gallows. It was very cold and very windy -- for the hot summer day it was supposed to be in the script. For all the short breaks between takes and longer breaks for camera moves, the Townspeople extras down in the plaza had no access to their real-life coats and were in shirts with pants and suspenders. Women in old-time dresses. Fortunately, my group of five or six guys were sitting on the parapet atop the jail and could hide our winter coats behind it for "picture" and put them back on for the ten minute waits. Those poor folks in the plaza had no such luxury -- their coats were back in the "extras holding" building on Backstreet. There were five open pine box coffins on the ground next to the gallows. These were for set dressing and not to be used, but, every time Andy McLaglen yelled "Cut!," everybody would make a dash for those coffins to lay in them to get out of the cold wind. No "women first in the lifeboats" here! They couldn't move fast enough in their dresses and pettycoats. :lol:

I spent a day as an extra in an upcoming horse-racing movie; as it was a nippy day, crewmembers were putting heavy jackets on actors Skeet Ulrich and William Devane between takes, then taking the coats and running off-camera when they were filming.

One lightly-clad fellow extra, waiting in the shade and battling the chilly breeze late that afternoon, said to nobody in particular, "God, what I wouldn't give for a hot flash right now!"
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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby RLC-GTT on Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:26 am

Rick wrote:One lightly-clad fellow extra, waiting in the shade and battling the chilly breeze late that afternoon, said to nobody in particular, "God, what I wouldn't give for a hot flash right now!"

Ha!
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Re: Actual Scenes From The Alamo { 1960 } Film

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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby MartyB on Mon Jan 27, 2014 3:47 pm

Awwwww......
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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby NefariousNed on Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:39 pm

Could almost be Bowie and Ursula, only the guy is dressed sort of like a sailor.
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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby MartyB on Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:14 am

Of interest...

Love the 'defender'.....
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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby Travis247 on Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:15 pm

Hey Guys,

I have a question. The "black tassel like" things hanging from the roof of Travis headquarters (best seen when the Seguins bring news of Santa Anna at the beginning of the film) what are they and what are they supposed to be?

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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby Travis247 on Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:16 pm

Also,

Anyone have a good shot of the Mesa behind the East Wall? Looking to blow it up as a back drop for my diorama.

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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby MartyB on Sat Feb 01, 2014 3:59 pm

Sentimental...but it works...
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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby RLC-GTT on Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:23 pm

And, according to one survey done years ago, it rewarded the movie for having one of the fifty best endings of any American film.
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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby MUSTANG on Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:35 pm

At least that's what Joanie said!
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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby RLC-GTT on Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:00 pm

MUSTANG wrote:At least that's what Joanie said!

My source for that was a fellow who used to work at Alamo Village as our publicity man when Happy was still alive, and he was very up on Hollywood movie trends and awards, so I'd say two sources here. ;)
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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby MUSTANG on Sun Feb 02, 2014 10:31 pm

Joan O'Brien made that comment as well during her appearance at "The Alamo" reunion back in 1998. I've tried to verify that statement but haven't been able to do so, as of yet. If anyone has any further information as to when and where that survey was published, I'd love to hear it. Glad to hear Joannie wasn't the only one who heard about that!!!
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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby MartyB on Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:43 am

Of interest...

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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby MartyB on Sat Mar 15, 2014 3:31 pm

From eBay…

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LINDA-CRISTAL-J ... 0828512982

Interesting stamp on photo above Linda Cristal's head…
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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby mrbassbone on Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:04 am

OK...where are the Firing Line scenes for the covering fire after the Raid for the Cattle sequence?
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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby mrbassbone on Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:24 pm

I guess no one is interested.
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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby MartyB on Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:29 pm

mrbassbone wrote:I guess no one is interested.


Of interest...
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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby mrbassbone on Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:07 pm

Thanks Marty. Mike Boldt...will the last one work for adding Betsy to it?
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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby TexianAtHeartII on Thu Mar 20, 2014 1:07 am

That scene where Travis has his arms outstretched, nearly reminds me of this.

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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby MartyB on Thu Apr 10, 2014 1:12 pm

Of interest...

Larnin'................
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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby RLC-GTT on Fri Apr 11, 2014 4:39 am

Damp, heck! The powder isn't even going to be there anymore after you tip the rifle down with the frizzen still open, you "street kid from Philadelphia."
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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby Fargo Fenwyck on Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:02 am

Rumor has it he graduated from U of M........University of Maroon.
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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby NefariousNed on Fri Apr 11, 2014 4:04 pm

Fargo Fenwyck wrote:Rumor has it he graduated from U of M........University of Maroon.

He was just a "street kid from Philadelphia". He'd seen his share of rats, but not rattlesnakes. Clung to that story whenever he was interviewed about his experiences in THE ALAMO. Just like Rudy Robbins would do with his "Rudy, you're gonna be a star!" story.
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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby cc nolen on Thu May 08, 2014 7:44 pm

Hey Rich... the other night I watched the Waynamo - again, and Ive been meaning to ask you...when the Mexican Army is wearing out horses getting to the Mo...they run a wagon with a cannon in tow over a river real fast and for a split second, it seems a soldier flys from his seat and is hit by the carriage ! Did he get hurt in this scene. I have never heard it mentioned.
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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby RLC-GTT on Thu May 08, 2014 8:20 pm

cc nolen wrote:Hey Rich... the other night I watched the Waynamo - again, and Ive been meaning to ask you...when the Mexican Army is wearing out horses getting to the Mo...they run a wagon with a cannon in tow over a river real fast and for a split second, it seems a soldier flys from his seat and is hit by the carriage ! Did he get hurt in this scene. I have never heard it mentioned.
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I'll have to look at the scene again to see what you mean about the soldado, but when the horses split to opposite sides of the camera with the third cannon and caisson, they really did, and the whole deal hit the camera, knocked it into the creek and brought everything to a halt for long minutes as they reassembled everything. When the camera assistant reached under the water to grab the VERY expensive camera and lens, he got a shock. It was still running. When they opened it, the film was still dry. Hence, that amazing "special effects" shot in the final movie. I have never heard that anybody was hurt in filming this scene. Perhaps Mustang can enlighten us if that was so.
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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby RLC-GTT on Thu May 08, 2014 9:05 pm

Just reviewed the scene in slow motion. I see what you saw. Very interesting. One of the riders on the first group appears to fly off or jump off his horse. It looks to me like a deliberate arrangement of stuntmen for the scene. The objective would have been to make it as action-packed and dangerous-looking -- and as close to the camera -- as possible. Each rig seems to have four horses hitched to it, but, if you notice, both of the left horses (driver's left) have riders on them in all three cases. It appears to me that those guys are deliberately there (probably movie wranglers or stuntmen) to "tight-rein" the other lead horse, as it were. In this intense action, the horses are clearly spooking. That would have been expected and accounted for. What I am seeing in slow motion is each of those guys pulling sideways on a lead hitched to the horse on the right in order to keep it going in exactly the path planned in order to miss the camera very closely and avoid injury to man and beast -- and camera.

The third cannon and caisson where the horse breaks loose and the rig hits the camera is exactly what those men were there to keep from happening. In that last case, you see that the man has missed that the horse is going wide or that his lead has snapped. In the case of the first group however, the man is bumped up off his horse by an unexpected move. This allows the outside horse to run wide. It looks like a mix of "try to stop the horse" and "grab onto something because I'm flying through the air." In any event, he lands on the other horse and either starts to slide off the starboard side just before the group passes the camera or is actually falling off.

Anyway, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it (unless Mustang comes up with something better.)
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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby RLC-GTT on Thu May 08, 2014 9:15 pm

cc nolen wrote:...it seems a soldier flys from his seat and is hit by the carriage ! Did he get hurt in this scene. I have never heard it mentioned.
Chris...

I see nobody getting hit by a carriage. Am I talking about the wrong scene? I know of no other.
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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby cc nolen on Thu May 08, 2014 9:55 pm

RLC-GTT wrote:
cc nolen wrote:...it seems a soldier flys from his seat and is hit by the carriage ! Did he get hurt in this scene. I have never heard it mentioned.
Chris...

I see nobody getting hit by a carriage. Am I talking about the wrong scene? I know of no other.

No, that's the scene...I just wrote it up wrong. sure looks like he was injured or took a good fall
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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby MUSTANG on Thu May 08, 2014 10:43 pm

Re; the runaway horses and caissons. The rider was bucked off by accident. It was not a stunt. Plunker Sheedy, Robert Harris, Rusty McDonald all were involved in this sequence. For those interested, a detailed description of the action with several interviews is included in my book. I know, I know, get the damn thing finished!!!
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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby RLC-GTT on Fri May 09, 2014 4:58 am

MUSTANG wrote:For those interested, a detailed description of the action with several interviews is included in my book.

WHAT book! I'm here trying to make thing up and you have the answers. :lol: (He does, you know. ;) )
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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby cc nolen on Fri May 09, 2014 3:15 pm

Thanks John and Rich....it really looks like he took a hard fall.
John, can you give us a hint on the time frame of the book? notice, I said "The Book" :D
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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby MartyB on Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:22 pm

Travis gives orders....
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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby cc nolen on Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:41 pm

Interesting photo...Looks like a pause in the filming???
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Re: Actual Scenes From THE ALAMO (1960) Film

Postby RLC-GTT on Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:28 pm

Possible. Or it may be a "run-through," when they run the action of a scene without rolling camera. Crew members are just standing around talking. If it were a real "take," everybody -- EVERYBODY -- would be focused on the action. Plus, the stills photographer took this from the camera crane, and he would not be allowed up there during a take. It would just be the camera operator, the focus-puller (1st. assistant) and the director, if he chose to be. So, perhaps, during the rehearsal (for the extras, not the camera), the stills photographer might have been allowed to get a shot from the crane or allowed one of the crane crew to get it for him. All just a guess on my part, knowing the pace and attitude of a film in production and the rules.
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