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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby Travis247 on Thu Oct 02, 2014 11:12 pm

Hey All,

Watching The Alamo (again) last night and just noticed something. After "acting Lt. Finn gave his lecture course" the big ONE lets loose, therefore Travis is compelled to retaliate. "Battery one, is your gun ready"? Give it full elevation. While the gun is being elevated, check out the grey lancers. They are sitting still on their horses until the gun is fired, then they continue their ride to the Mexican camp. Kinda bating Travis eh? See if ya can reach us.

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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby Travis247 on Mon Dec 29, 2014 7:44 pm

Travis247 wrote:Hey All,

Watching The Alamo (again) last night and just noticed something. After "acting Lt. Finn gave his lecture course" the big ONE lets loose, therefore Travis is compelled to retaliate. "Battery one, is your gun ready"? Give it full elevation. While the gun is being elevated, check out the grey lancers. They are sitting still on their horses until the gun is fired, then they continue their ride to the Mexican camp. Kinda bating Travis eh? See if ya can reach us.

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Anyone catch this yet?

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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby NefariousNed on Tue Dec 30, 2014 8:32 pm

Not yet. Yet another reason to be forced to watch the film again. Life can be rough.
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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby Seguin on Wed Dec 31, 2014 4:31 am

It´s a dirty job, but somebody got to do it. If only the pay was better. :D
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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby MUSTANG on Wed Dec 31, 2014 5:32 am

Okay, I have to admit that the lancers seem to be baiting the defenders. I doubt that was Wayne's intent, though. Take a look at the scene where Guinn Williams scratches out the profile of a cannon in the dirt of the Alamo compound. Immediately after Wayne says, "Twelve, Fourteen-feet-long. Are you sure, Irish?" there is a wide over-the-shoulder shot with Harvey standing on his HQ porch. Look at the plain outside the SW corner of the compound. If you look closely in the background you can clearly see the lancers riding away from the Alamo. Harvey barks out an order and in the next shot you can see in the background that the lancers have reached their position and are milling around back and forth in preparation for the next special effects shot. After the Alamo cannon is fired, it now appears that the lancers are riding away and that they are barely out of cannon range. As you can see, the lancers were positioned and instructed to ride away from the Alamo to give that effect. No baiting, just getting ready for the next shot.

If you want to see soothing funny, however, watch the whiskey barrel explosion frame by frame. As it explodes, everyone flinches, moves, ducks, etc. except Wayne. He stands stiff as a board, then finally moves. LOL!
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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby RLC-GTT on Thu Jan 01, 2015 10:26 pm

But he's John Wayne! Explosions only 40 feet away don't flap the fellow. ;)

There are a lot (a lot) of film editor's "cheats" in the movie. The basic editing room premise back then was, "It'll go by so fast that nobody will catch it, besides they are going to be looking at the scene action, not the deep background." You only saw a movie in the theater -- once -- unless you were very unusual. No TV showings. No video. No freeze-framing or slo-mo. Another glaring example of a deliberately overlooked continuity error is Bowie and Smitty falling on the horse twice as they ride to the gate.
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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby MUSTANG on Fri Jan 02, 2015 2:16 am

No, Rich. You're wrong. Yes, you can clearly see the horse fall as you look through the main gate. But, they just fell down, got up and fell down again. LOL!!! Sometimes the background action is more interesting than the foreground.
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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby RLC-GTT on Fri Jan 02, 2015 6:56 pm

Absolutely.
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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby MUSTANG on Fri Jan 02, 2015 9:14 pm

Here's another little continuity error. In the non-combatant evacuation scene just before the first assault, Ken Curtis is scene riding back into the Alamo compound with a large white flag. As he goes out of view just before he enters the main gate, notice all defendants are hatless. A nano second later as Curtis enters the compound, everyone now has their hat on. Man, that was fast. Obviously filmed at different times. Also, the band members who sound the trumpets before the assault have the correct band outfits on EXCEPT for their shakos. The insignia on their shakos is diamond-shaped, clearly an infantry shako. Band members had lyre-shaped insignias. Man, that's anal!!! (said Rich!)
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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby RLC-GTT on Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:50 am

Man! That's ANAL!!!!
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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby MUSTANG on Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:11 am

Here's another one. Not a continuity error or blooper but something interesting, nonetheless. Shortly after the beginning of the first assault, Travis fires a cannon and blows up a Mexican cannon. You have to watch it frame by frame, but shortly before the Mexican cannon explodes, you can see fire coming out of its barrel. Then, the cannon explodes. Pieces of the barrel are thrown into the air but you can plainly see that the pieces are attached by wires to the carriage so as not to blow all over the place.
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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby gh1836 on Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:29 pm

Oh man! That ain't no fair way to watch a movie! :)
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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby RLC-GTT on Sat Jan 03, 2015 7:37 pm

Yeah, well, John created this "condition" so he's stuck with it. :lol:
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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby MUSTANG on Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:46 am

Yer darn tootin'!
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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby Seguin on Sun Jan 04, 2015 7:25 am

Lots of errors, bloopers and what not, and still we love the movie just as much as we did when we watched it as kids! Ah, sweet nostalgia. :D
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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby gh1836 on Sun Jan 04, 2015 8:11 pm

Absolutely!
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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby Travis247 on Fri Jul 31, 2015 6:48 pm

Watching the movie (I'm sure this has been mentioned somewhere in this thread) right B4 Wayne calls for "half you men throw up a barricade here, throw up a barricade" he steps on some poor souls head. Any idea who the unfortunate dude was?

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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby RLC-GTT on Sat Aug 01, 2015 1:01 am

Nope. Probably someone who made Duke mad. LOL.
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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby SantaClaus on Sat Aug 01, 2015 5:17 am

I think, if you listen very carefully, you can hear that guy say, "Doh!". :D
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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby Rick on Sat Aug 01, 2015 3:56 pm

Doubtless, it was Herb Yates.
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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby RLC-GTT on Sat Aug 01, 2015 11:23 pm

Hey, if Herb Yates wouldn't have been such a jerk, Duke would have made THE ALAMO at Republic, and it would have suffered from all the Yatesisms, since Duke would have been under his thumb.

And if Happy hadn't argued Duke into coming to Brackettville, THE ALAMO would have been filmed on the same locations where TEXAS RISING was shot.

300 foot long scaling ladders to get the Mexicans up on top of the cliff where the Alamo would have been!!!! ;)
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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby TexianAtHeartII on Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:02 am

RLC-GTT wrote:Hey, if Herb Yates wouldn't have been such a jerk, Duke would have made THE ALAMO at Republic, and it would have suffered from all the Yatesisms, since Duke would have been under his thumb.

And if Happy hadn't argued Duke into coming to Brackettville, THE ALAMO would have been filmed on the same locations where TEXAS RISING was shot.

300 foot long scaling ladders to get the Mexicans up on top of the cliff where the Alamo would have been!!!! ;)


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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby SantaClaus on Thu Aug 06, 2015 11:33 am

I think I finally spotted the much talked about bus. It's not a school bus. It's the #32 from Gonzales. :D
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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby wconly on Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:47 pm

RLC-GTT wrote:Hey, if Herb Yates wouldn't have been such a jerk, Duke would have made THE ALAMO at Republic, and it would have suffered from all the Yatesisms, since Duke would have been under his thumb.

And if Happy hadn't argued Duke into coming to Brackettville, THE ALAMO would have been filmed on the same locations where TEXAS RISING was shot.

300 foot long scaling ladders to get the Mexicans up on top of the cliff where the Alamo would have been!!!! ;)


Yeah! And, there wouldn't have been much of a battle as everyone would have been suffering severe nosebleeds :shock: ! :lol: ! W>
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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby RLC-GTT on Fri Aug 07, 2015 3:53 am

The Gonzales Flag would have read, "Come and Climb It!"
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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby wconly on Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:23 pm

RLC-GTT wrote:The Gonzales Flag would have read, "Come and Climb It!"

:roll: ! W>
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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby alamonorth on Sat Aug 15, 2015 5:39 pm

Not really a blooper, but I am just watching the film on AMC and noticed something. During the cattle raid you have coonskinned Tennesseans herding the cattle while actual sombrero hatted vaqueros make a typical frontier hit and run attack on the Mexican camp. Talk about role reversals.
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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby Viperjock on Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:04 am

I went through this whole thread tonight and found a blooper nobody mentioned. In the cattle raid scene none of the Tennesseseens are carrying rifles to include Smitty. When Smitty climbs on the Mexican horse to ride out and find Houston he has no rifle. When Smitty arrives at Houston's camp he is carrying a rifle strapped across his back. This is the same rifle he has at the end of the movie.

Something that has always bothered me is why send Smitty by himself to find Houston? Smitty had just arrived in Texas following Crockett's directions. Perhaps he is supposed to be a good enough woodsman that he can locate Houston in unfamiliar country.
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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby RLC-GTT on Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:11 am

The point of sending Smitty was to get him out of danger, not particularly to find Houston. Crockett new it would be too late anyway. Particularly revealing is the exchange of lines between Bowie and Crockett as Smitty rides off into the darkness. Bowie: "It'll take him quite a few days to get to Houston." Crockett: "That's what I figured." ;)
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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby RLC-GTT on Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:13 am

Good catch regarding the rifles. The film is full of continuity errors like that. They didn't worry about it, and they were right. It took 56 years for somebody to notice. :lol:
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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby SantaClaus on Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:21 am

Viperjock wrote:I went through this whole thread tonight and found a blooper nobody mentioned. In the cattle raid scene none of the Tennesseseens are carrying rifles to include Smitty. When Smitty climbs on the Mexican horse to ride out and find Houston he has no rifle. When Smitty arrives at Houston's camp he is carrying a rifle strapped across his back. This is the same rifle he has at the end of the movie.

Something that has always bothered me is why send Smitty by himself to find Houston? Smitty had just arrived in Texas following Crockett's directions. Perhaps he is supposed to be a good enough woodsman that he can locate Houston in unfamiliar country.

I had never noticed that Smitty didn't have his rifle when he mounted up. Maybe they edited out a scene where he came back to get his rifle.
I think Smitty could find Sam Houston. Smitty and the Parson found San Antonio while Crockett and the others were wandering around searching in the tall grass.
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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby gh1836 on Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:30 am

yeah! Back in the day of its' release if you watched it, you might think "Hey I don't think he had a rifle when he left before the cattle raid....or did he? Oh well on with the movie!" :o
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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby Viperjock on Tue Jan 17, 2017 6:02 am

What seems funny when is that the movie wants us to believe that Crockett's men rode all the way to San Antonio without hearing about the war in Texas. They never stopped in a town or city like New Orleans or some Texas settlement? The movie makes it look like the first half of the Texas Revolution following the fall of San Antonio to the start of the Alamo
Siege took place over a few days when Crockett and company were riding on the trail.
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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby whiterabbitt83 on Tue Jan 17, 2017 6:37 pm

gtj222 wrote:Maybe he was an honest liar!!! :lol:

well Flaka left with a Honest hard working Mule :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby BigJake1979 on Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:38 am

I always wondered how Thimblerig got from the palisade to where he died in the last battle
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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby RLC-GTT on Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:35 am

Viperjock wrote:What seems funny when is that the movie wants us to believe that Crockett's men rode all the way to San Antonio without hearing about the war in Texas. They never stopped in a town or city like New Orleans or some Texas settlement? The movie makes it look like the first half of the Texas Revolution following the fall of San Antonio to the start of the Alamo
Siege took place over a few days when Crockett and company were riding on the trail.

Worse than that, the original script had Sam Houston arriving in the midst of hundreds of wounded Mexican soldiers on the ground after the Battle of Bexar. That's why he says to Travis regarding Bowie, "Of course Jim Bowie's drunk. He took this town from General Cos. He fought a battle, and now he's drunk. Seems kind of natural to me." So, the battle just happened and then Crockett arrives. Worse, historically, Bowie wasn't at the Battle of Bexar. He left for Goliad right after the Grass Fight over a week before the Texians stormed the town. So, with James Edward Grant at the typewriter, don't even look for a single historically accurate point. :roll:
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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby Fargo Fenwyck on Sat Mar 18, 2017 2:02 pm

Except for some of us who else would know the historical side? Case in point as I have mentioned before...."The Bridge on the River Kwai" So often history gives way to a Hollywood story. Somebody once said....when the film becomes legend, film the legend :roll: :lol:
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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby RLC-GTT on Sat Mar 18, 2017 2:21 pm

Fargo Fenwyck wrote:So often history gives way to a Hollywood story.

Not "so often," ALWAYS. A film is an art form, not a chronicle. ;)
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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby Doc on Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:04 pm

But a film can go too far when it violates widely known facts. INGLORIOUS BASTERDS turned from an adventure story to a comedy when the heroes executed Hitler in a movie theater in France.
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Re: Waynamo Bloopers

Postby NefariousNed on Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:54 pm

Doc, at least that film allowed viewers to hear the Nick Perito version of "The Green Leaves Of Summer".
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