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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby AlamoMo on Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:52 pm

So finally the last two for now folks

These are from the filming of the Raid For Cattle scenes in town

Now I ask is that John Ford standing there on the left of the
camera pit, it sure looks like him from the back.

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Well I hope you have enjoyed these posted images ??

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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby MUSTANG on Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:51 pm

Ah, you're a good man there Bro! And look at the pit for the camera.
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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby RLC-GTT on Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:01 pm

AlamoMo wrote:So finally the last two for now folks

These are from the filming of the Raid For Cattle scenes in town

Now I ask is that John Ford standing there on the left of the
camera pit, it sure looks like him from the back.

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Well I hope you have enjoyed these posted images ??

Regards

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Looks like Pappy to me. Anybody else would have been dressed in cowboy clothes. :roll: And... that is the classic Fordian camera angle, dug into the ground with everybody and everything going over and around it. This must be one of the second unit shots that Ford told Bogdanovich "were all cut out."

But when you think about it from an editing point-of-view, it is a retrograde movement. The flow of the scene as per the final cut is from the creek, to Backstreet, down the length of Backstreet, around the Cantina and up the hill to the Alamo. So it would violate this flow to have cattle stampeding from Front Street (where we haven't even seen them) to Backstreet. Never never confuse the viewer just for art sake.
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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby NefariousNed on Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:05 pm

AlamoMo wrote:Here you have Duke with Pat Wayne but I wonder what
John Ford is thinking as he is looking pretty stern faced
standing there looking on ??

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DUKE: "Pat, if you weren't my son, I'd've had you off this picture weeks ago. Damn if you embarrass me in front of Pappy again!"
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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby Davy on Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:26 am

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"I dun told ya ta watch that knife boy ... now look at what ya gone & dun to his eye!" :o :twisted:

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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby Seguin on Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:08 am

Thanks, Mo! Interesting photos of Ford and the 'raid for the cattle' camera pit.

Davy wrote:
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"Son, the only reason you´re in this movie, is so I can save the actor salary and instead use it for paying the old man to do some second unit footage".
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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby RLC-GTT on Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:30 am

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"Duke, I don't care how angry you are at Pat. Now, kiss him!"
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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby RLC-GTT on Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:33 am

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Davy: "You were SAFE! In the CLEAR! What'd you come back for?

Bonham: "Just got lonesome I reckon, Davy."

Ford: "CUT! Get my script."
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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby Seguin on Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:50 am

"Duke, I don't care how angry you are at Pat. Now, kiss him!"


Or: "Pat, I don´t care how angry you are at Pappy. Now, kiss him!...And give him his wallet back!"
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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby AlamoMo on Sat Feb 05, 2011 2:48 pm

Right just before my accident I managed to do a
few more screen captures from the behind the
scenes footage some of which was used in the
Huberman documentary so I thought it was about
time I posted them, so it’s over to Rich, John, Ned
and whoever else to comment on these and add your
comments please oh sorry about the quality but I
have done my best with them.

Now the first lot I reckon are from yet another cut
scene and I believe this has been mentioned on the
forum some where before.

It looks like a scene where Aruzza rides up to Santa
Anna at the end of the film now could be just after the
scene where Joan O’Brien and Aissa get ready to leave
the Alamo.

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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby AlamoMo on Sat Feb 05, 2011 2:51 pm

These are just general shots:

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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby AlamoMo on Sat Feb 05, 2011 2:54 pm

Now these I find of interest it looks like some of the
Pyro Technicians setting off explosions during one of
the assault sequences:

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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby AlamoMo on Sat Feb 05, 2011 2:56 pm

Now here are 4 more for Rich & John:

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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby AlamoMo on Sat Feb 05, 2011 3:00 pm

Setting up a camera for a new shot:

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Now could this be Ybarra maybe:

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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby AlamoMo on Sat Feb 05, 2011 3:02 pm

Sadly not much to go on with these 2:

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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby AlamoMo on Sat Feb 05, 2011 3:05 pm

I will finish off for now with these 3 of Harvey and his
famous Cine Camera:

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Hope you have enjoyed this latest batch ????

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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby Travis247 on Sat Feb 05, 2011 5:05 pm

Mo,

Regarding the raid for cattle scene, who was the stuntman that was almost dismounted by the tree branch?
Looks like either Rudy Robbins or Chuck Roberson to me. Was in the documentary and left in the film final cut.

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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby NefariousNed on Sat Feb 05, 2011 5:34 pm

AlamoMo wrote:Now could this be Ybarra maybe:

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John Jensen, storyboard artist.
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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby RLC-GTT on Sat Feb 05, 2011 6:47 pm

Nefarious wrote:
AlamoMo wrote:Now could this be Ybarra maybe:


John Jensen, storyboard artist.


And doing the concept drawing for the scene where Travis rides up and informs Bowie that he is in command. This was drawn for the spot they filmed it -- on Backstreet behind the Hotel San Antonio when Bowie comes out of his room (the exterior for it next to the hotel). Jensen, on the other hand, is sitting on the steps of the bandstand that was across Front Street from the Cantina -- about where the sheriff's office and jail are now.
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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby RLC-GTT on Sat Feb 05, 2011 6:51 pm

On second thought, those appear to be Tennesseans in the drawing -- hard to tell. But Crockett's men arriving were indeed filmed on Backstreet. They ride in next to the current restrooms and on down the street. So maybe it's the scene where Crockett stops and asks Seguin if there is a place to eat and sleep (never used in the film). But......... that doesn't look like Seguin! Oh, for a better image of that drawing! (I know Mo did his best.)
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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby zapadore on Sun Feb 06, 2011 8:06 am

AlamoMo wrote:...filming of the Raid For Cattle scenes in town.

Now I ask is that John Ford standing there on the left of the
camera pit, it sure looks like him from the back.
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Looks like him,...note the same 41 model jacket he wore...with a combined operations patch on the left sleeve.....
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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby RLC-GTT on Sun Feb 06, 2011 8:26 am

That's Pappy. And that's the camera under that black box dug in the ground. One of Ford's favorite angles -- under jumping
animals and charging stagecoaches.
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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby RLC-GTT on Sun Feb 06, 2011 8:28 am

AlamoMo wrote:Now these I find of interest it looks like some of the
Pyro Technicians setting off explosions during one of
the assault sequences:

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Yep. Them's special effects guys. Everytime they pull a handle, something blows up.
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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby RLC-GTT on Sun Feb 06, 2011 8:33 am

AlamoMo wrote:... more for Rich & John:


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Stuntman Red Morgan in the coonskin cap. Possibly Harry Joe Canutt on the right.
They are working out the choreography for Laurence Harvey's sword fight.
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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby RLC-GTT on Sun Feb 06, 2011 8:36 am

Alamo Mo wrote:Image



I think you've got it right. Arruza reporting to Santa Anna. I've never seen this before -- I don't think. Is this in Brian's film?
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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby AlamoMo on Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:39 pm

I think you've got it right. Arruza reporting to Santa Anna. I've never seen this before -- I don't think.
Is this in Brian's film?


Indeed it is Rich and many thanks for your comments
as always

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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby MUSTANG on Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:54 pm

RE: Harvey sword fight. Shot with three camera: Duke behind one, John Ford behind the second, Cliff Lyons behind the third.
Rich, isn't that Gil Perkins and Freddie Graham in that photo?
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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby RLC-GTT on Sun Feb 06, 2011 6:59 pm

MUSTANG wrote:RE: Harvey sword fight. Shot with three camera: Duke behind one, John Ford behind the second, Cliff Lyons behind the third.
Rich, isn't that Gil Perkins and Freddie Graham in that photo?


I'm sure of Red Morgan, but the only reason I thought Joe Canutt for the guy on the right is because Joe is a tall fellow. I can't see him well enough. Virginia really liked Red Morgan and used to point him out every time we watched Bill's movies (at least once a summer in the sixties).
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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby RLC-GTT on Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:01 pm

Red Morgan also played the bit part in True Grit ('69) as the ferryman when Rooster and LaBoef don't want to let Mattie on the ferry.
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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby Seguin on Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:08 am

Stuntman Red Morgan in the coonskin cap. Possibly Harry Joe Canutt on the right.
They are working out the choreography for Laurence Harvey's sword fight.


Why would they do that? Was one of them playing the Mexican part in the sword fight?
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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby MUSTANG on Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:54 am

As very few stuntmen were trained in the art of the sword fight, they were asked to work out the choreography and work with
Harvey as well. The stuntmen were then outfitted as Mexican soldiers.
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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby RLC-GTT on Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:55 am

And all scenes such as this are choreographed by experts -- stuntmen, stunt coordinator, specialist, whatever. They never just throw the actors in there and say "go to it." If you were to watch any scene like this being filmed, the stunt coordinator blocks it all out and then takes it to the actors and stuntmen who are taught exactly what to do, how many thrusts and parries to make with whom, etc. They run a rehearsal for the tech people so the cinematographer can determine how to shoot it (where to have the camera and how many different angles) and the sound man can determine where to have his mic. and how to keep it out of their way and out of the shot..... Never is it just improv. for something like this.
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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby Doc on Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:36 pm

Mustang, since you were able to view the home movies from three individuals who contributed to the documentary, are there any additional scenes that Brian did not include in his film?
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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby MUSTANG on Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:18 am

Hi Doc, yes, actually, there were quite a few. Bob Morgan's home movies (taken by wife Yvonne DeCarlo) consisted of numerous battle action scenes, set-ups, gags, behind-the scenes stuff, etc. One interesting sequence showed "Bull", Tom Hennesy, fending off advancing Mexican soldiers and dragoons with a large board or log, just before his death scene. Only the last few seconds of that scene were used in the movie but it actually lasted much longer.
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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby NefariousNed on Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:29 am

Bull was built up to be such an intimidating character that you would think he would've gone down with more than a whimper.
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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby Davy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:35 am

Nefarious wrote:Bull was built up to be such an intimidating character that you would think he would've gone down with more than a whimper.


36 times! .. thirty eight, he won far and square!! :o :twisted:

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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby gtj222 on Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:56 am

I would love to see those scenes. In the final version, you hardly know it is Bull getting killed.
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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby AlamoMo on Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:53 pm

Thats a definate I would love to see that
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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby Doc on Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:18 pm

I'll drink to that too.
That screen cap showing Lt. Reyes reporting to Santa Anna after the battle interests me. Rich, or anyone else, do you think
that it corresponds to the alternate cue from the 3 disc set with that martial, royal cue?
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Re: The Brian Huberman Alamo Film Documentary 1992.

Postby Tim M. Cumiskey on Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:17 am

Guys -

This is the scene that I mentioned in the first battle scene that I mentioned in an earlier blog. This took place after the first battle scene was shot. Wayne was directing the scene and trying to get shots of the injured and dying Mexican troops. The women were comforting their dead and wounded and he was showing them what he wanted. This is the same scene where the ambulance wagons were brought in to retrieve the soldiers.

The troops were laid out and the fake blood was passed around and then the scene was to be shot. It took a long time to set-up the shot and if memory serves me correct, this scene was being shot late in the afternoon and Wayne was trying to save the light. Should have been a simple and quick shot except for the fact that the Mexicans who were playing the parts of the dead and wounded were smiling and laughing when Wayne called "ACTION!" Wayne went bizerk...cursing and speaking in both English and Spanish and the Mexican director who was sitting next to Wayne on the boom directors chairs was cursing in Spanish.

Sorry...don't know the actual name of this piece of equipment. Had double directors chairs on it so that the directors could oversee the battlefield to see how the scene would look from overhead. Would lift them from ground to about 20 feet.

Anyway...Wayne was furious and the Mexicans, believe me, got the message that they were not to be laughing when they were supposed to be dead or wounded. They eventually got the shot. I was standing behind and to the right of the boom when he was directing this scene and this picture was taken.

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