The First Time YOU Saw THE ALAMO...

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Re: The First Time YOU Saw THE ALAMO...

Postby Davy on Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:27 am

Nefarious wrote:You can see how it is. It’s more than a man can bear. He’s never said a word of pity for himself
in the ten years he’s been blind…


I reckon he must most likely be deef too! :o :lol:

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Re: The First Time YOU Saw THE ALAMO...

Postby Duketributechannel on Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:36 pm

First time as a child i've seen at tv...
My grandfather was a fan of john Wayne end western movies...
Recently i purchase the cd at the official shop at Winterset...
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Re: The First Time YOU Saw THE ALAMO...

Postby batjacdon on Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:47 am

I saw it for the first time in 1961 after it left the Brook Theatre ( Road Show - cost was $1.25 ! ). It was at the Circle Theatre
in general release for .35 cents, much more affordable!
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Postby batjacdon on Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:57 am

I forgot to mention that the Circle Theatre in Tulsa, where I saw "The Alamo" for the first time fell into hard times in the 70's.
Like so many theatres of the time, it became a porn theatre. Just five years ago some independent investors bought the
property, restored it to it's glory days and now shows independent films and occasionally a "oldie". Trying to get "The Alamo"
shown there...I've put in the request!
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Re: The First Time YOU Saw THE ALAMO...

Postby NefariousNed on Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:39 am

Cool! Then we'll have to have an "Oklahomamo" gala. Will tamales be provided for breakfast?
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Re: The First Time YOU Saw THE ALAMO...

Postby batjacdon on Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:24 pm

Why not? You can't get burned eating tameles for breakfast - although I would prefer buttered popcorn.
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Re: The First Time YOU Saw THE ALAMO...

Postby zapadore on Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:36 pm

Tamales are seasonal and traditionally eaten during the holidays......usually not for breakfast....despite the Waynamo.....


Nefarious wrote:Cool! Then we'll have to have an "Oklahomamo" gala. Will tamales be provided for breakfast?
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Postby NefariousNed on Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:40 pm

That being said, try a tamale with a fried egg on top. Yummy!
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Re: The First Time YOU Saw THE ALAMO...

Postby NefariousNed on Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:50 pm

And while we're on the subject---that is to say, off the subject, what's with Texas tortillas? I thought everything was supposed to be bigger in Texas, but when I go to the tortilla aisle in the market, all they have are tortillas about the size of a DVD disc---all sorts of assorted brands, but all the same size---fajita style. Look for a burrito-sized tortilla and you are plumb out of luck. The Texas-sized version of a burrito-sized tortilla is seriously about the size of a dessert plate, or for those of you who are old enough to remember, a 45 RPM vinyl record. Now, what can you roll into something that small? Back in Californy, we had burrito-sized tortillas the size of trash can lids. Why, you could roll an entire rump roast in one if you cared to. So much for Texas bigness!
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Re: The First Time YOU Saw THE ALAMO...

Postby Davy on Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:52 pm

Nefarious wrote:That being said, try a tamale with a fried egg on top. Yummy!


Tortillars fer breakfast? :o :x You'll be pikin that up yor ownself Nedine ..

And a "ho-mama" Alamo film fest? What in the wild west is this world comin too! :x :twisted:

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Postby zapadore on Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:56 am

If ya travel to the interior of Mexico you'll find that torillas are not the massive ones you'll find in restaraunts in the US......there is no 'standard size' tortilla,..large ones and burritos etc. are part of the whole 'tex-mex' invention......they have those even here in the UK...and yes,..they're disgusting....





Nefarious wrote:And while we're on the subject---that is to say, off the subject, what's with Texas tortillas? I thought everything was supposed to be bigger in Texas, but when I go to the tortilla aisle in the market, all they have are tortillas about the size of a DVD disc---all sorts of assorted brands, but all the same size---fajita style. Look for a burrito-sized tortilla and you are plumb out of luck. The Texas-sized version of a burrito-sized tortilla is seriously about the size of a dessert plate, or for those of you who are old enough to remember, a 45 RPM vinyl record. Now, what can you roll into something that small? Back in Californy, we had burrito-sized tortillas the size of trash can lids. Why, you could roll an entire rump roast in one if you cared to. So much for Texas bigness!
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Postby NefariousNed on Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:17 pm

Your appraisal of UK-made tortillas reminded me of a story my late friend John once told me about one of his experiences while
travelling England in 1972. Arriving in town early one morning, he happened upon this restaurant called Confederate Pancakes.
The walls of the establisment were adorned with grotesque caricatures of Confederate generals and the Stars and Bars. When
John ordered the house special, a tall stack of pancakes, he got a big stack alright, but with a big ice-cream scoop of pork and
beans on top. Calling the waiter over to his table, John pointed at the mound of beans and asked perplexed, "WHAT is THIS?!
"Well", the waiter replied, "You Yanks really love your beans."

I guess it's the same thing for Brits visiting the States. When my friend Laurence Golbey and his family were visiting California
back in 1979, we went to a coffee shop and perused the menu. Calling the waitress over to the table, Laurence too asked perplexed,
"What is an English muffin?" Being from England, he'd never heard of them.
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Re: The First Time YOU Saw THE ALAMO...

Postby zapadore on Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:09 pm

.....and don't EVER go anywhere for breakfast an ask for biscuits!!!!!!!!!!
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Postby RLC-GTT on Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:49 pm

Hahahah. And don't go to China and expect them to know what Chow Mein is. ;)
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Re: The First Time YOU Saw THE ALAMO...

Postby NefariousNed on Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:44 pm

We need to move this converstion on over to the food thread where it belongs. :)
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Re: The First Time YOU Saw THE ALAMO...

Postby RLC-GTT on Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:01 am

That's alright. I'll stay here. :lol:
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Re: The First Time YOU Saw THE ALAMO...

Postby TexianAtHeartII on Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:52 am

Here's one more. Last night on the Food Network, they had one of those shows where they travel to different eating establishments around the country and try different dishes. They had one, a restaurant in Texas that served a 7 lb Burrito. It didn't come on a plate, it came on a platter. Looked to be over a foot long and about 6 inches wide and and just full of about everything the joint had. Plus, they had a challenge. If you could eat the whole thing you got some sort of prize or award.
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Postby Davy on Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:00 am

TexianAtHeartII wrote:Here's one more. Last night on the Food Network, they had one of those shows where they travel to different eating establishments around the country and try different dishes. They had one, a restaurant in Texas that served a 7 lb Burrito. It didn't come on a plate, it came on a platter. Looked to be over a foot long and about 6 inches wide and and just full of about everything the joint had. Plus, they had a challenge. If you could eat the whole thing you got some sort of prize or award.


Hmmm ...talk about tortillers fer breakfast .... and lunch ... and dinner! :( :twisted:
Itsa biggun Davy ... and they's startin to eat it frum over hyar! :lol:

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Re: The First Time YOU Saw THE ALAMO...

Postby K Hale on Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:00 am

Nefarious wrote:While it's been a while for many of us, see if you can remember the first time you saw THE ALAMO on the big screen.
(Or, for those of you who never had that opportunity, on the little (TV) screen.)

I just got through watching it. :) A magnificent spectacle. I liked Lawrence Harvey much better than I expected I would, given that he's a middle aged English guy (nothing against them, but -- Travis?). The Duke of course is great, although I couldn't really envision him as Crockett. He always seems like John Wayne to me. ;) I must say I was not very happy with the way Widmark played Bowie, and even less so with the way Bowie was written... to put it mildly... really mildly. :evil: What is up with that giant shotgun he carried, it looks like a Steampunk weapon. The open-countryside scenes were amazing, lots of fun horse action. I expected to see a cannon fall on Harvey's foot at some point, but he must have hidden it really well. Is it the scene where he touched it off with a cigar?
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Re: The First Time YOU Saw THE ALAMO...

Postby NefariousNed on Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:25 am

A lot of people venture to remark that Harvey seemed too old to play Travis. In fact, he'd just passed his 31st birthday when
filming on THE ALAMO wrapped. I guess he was just a mature-looking guy.

Richard Carlson in THE LAST COMMAND, on the other hand, was all of 43 when he took on the role of William Barret Travis.

Don Megowan was 33 when he portrayed Travis in Walt Disney's DAVY CROCKETT AT THE ALAMO. Now he looked a lot older
than that.

Casey Biggs was 32 when he played a 5-storey Travis in IMAX's ALAMO, THE PRICE OF FREEDOM.

Alec Baldwin was a youthful-looking 29 years old when he stepped into the role in 13 DAYS TO GLORY.

Baby-faced Patrick Wilson was 30 when he played Travis in THE ALAMO (2004).
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Re: The First Time YOU Saw THE ALAMO...

Postby K Hale on Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:27 am

Huh, I would never have guessed Harvey was that young. I guess he had a gravitas.

Patrick Wilson, on the other hand, looks younger than he is by several years, IMO.
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Re: The First Time YOU Saw THE ALAMO...

Postby RLC-GTT on Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:58 am

Patrick Wilson seems to still have peach fuzz rather than whiskers, and that certainly contributed to the Travis he and John Lee portrayed. Alec has as much difficulty covering his Brooklynese as Laurence Harvey did his L-B-S-A-English accent. McGowan sounded like a bullfrog: "COVER 'EM!"
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Re: The First Time YOU Saw THE ALAMO...

Postby K Hale on Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:59 am

I liked Harvey's "I'm better than that rabble!" speech. :lol:
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Re: The First Time YOU Saw THE ALAMO...

Postby alamocentral on Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:59 pm

Dear Friends, I remember my first time as if it was yesterday. I saw the original version, in Todd-AO on December 24, 1960. It was the 2:00 matinee, and I still have my roadshow program. It was at the Valley Theatre, in Cincinnati. The building still stands, but it is now an office complex. From that day forward, The Alamo has been my favorite film...a seminal experience! I did not see it again, until the 1967 reissue. Imagine my shock, when I saw that the film had been truncated. I didn't realize that this had been done back before I saw the film the first time. So, it was thirty years before I saw the original version again...at the Eglinton Theatre in Toronto. Any time you get the chance to see the film on the big screen, even if it's the short version...take the opportunity.
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Postby RLC-GTT on Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:22 am

:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: That's green with envy that I am. You got to see it in Todd-AO. I saw only the 161-minute 35 mm. general release -- 13 times -- all over Pennsylvania! Dad had just gotten a car and he enjoyed taking Mother an me out for weekend drives, so that provided great destinations -- and he could take his kid to see yet another showing of the film. ;)
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Postby RCO-LUFKIN on Thu Jun 02, 2011 6:08 am

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My first remembrance of John Wayne and The Alamo movie was in November 1959, close to Thanksgiving. My Dad, Mom, little sister and myself made a trip to San Antonio. My Father worked for GMAC then and he was there to attend a seminar and brought us along with him to see the River walk and the city sights. I was just 6. While we were there, I made my first visit to The Alamo, while there I remember a guide taking our picture by the well and telling my folks about John Wayne shooting a Alamo movie out west of San Antonio. Of course I didn't know or care who John Wayne was at the time and didn't know anything about Brackettville either, but my parents actually thought for a moment of making the drive out just to see, but did not go. They probably didn't want to lug us kids that far. How could I know then that my future Father in law, William Miller was working for KSAT TV at that same time in 1959 and he did make a trip out to Brackettville to make some photos while filming was going on. Strange how fate is sometimes, because Mr. Miller later became a preacher and his family eventually moved to Lufkin by way of Angelton,Texas in 1973. I met his daughter at church, we dated for 4 years, we were married in 1977. We will celebrate 34 years soon. Sometime before he passed away we found 9 well preserved Kodak color slides of his trip out to the Alamo set in 1959. He only mentioned to us one time about going out to the movie set for the news station, but had never mentioned the photos or the Kodak color slides he had taken there. We just accidentally found them looking through an old box of his pictures one day. It has always intrigued me how all of these sets of circumstances occurred over the years to bring me and my family together with all the Alamo related interest I have had these many years, is just amazing.

OK now, back to topic. The first time I saw The Alamo on the big screen was in the re-released version the summer of 1967, I was 14 and saw it 6 times in 2 weeks and many other times since, but never the full uncut version. Like many others have expressed on this site, I became totally hooked on The Alamo, Texas History, John Wayne and Westerns. The Pines Theater was a great place to watch movies back in the day and happy to say it is in the process of being completely remodeled to show classic movies again, hopefully John Wayne's The Alamo will be one of them. ;)

Made our first trip out to Alamo Village in 1979 and 9 other trips over the years. Our last two trips in 2008 and 2010. Would love to see in Todd-AO full version someday. Hopefully a Director's Cut will be released on DVD Blue Ray soon.Image
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Re: The First Time YOU Saw THE ALAMO...

Postby alamocentral on Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:10 am

Dear Friends: The first time I visited the real Alamo, as well as the reel Alamo, was in March 1979. My emotions were on systems overload already, but then Mike Waters was kind enough to usher me down to Brackettville. He introduced me to Happy, and I tromped around the Village for the first time. I ruined a pair of boots, in the caliche. By the way, my hotel room at the Menger cost $27.00 per night!

I hope you won't think ill of me, if I act professorially, but there is no "director's cut". That term is a misnomer created by MGM/UA Home Video. There was the original version, released on 15 Todd-AO (70mm) prints...only one of which remains; the general release version (161 minutes), released on 35mm Technicolor/CinemaScope prints (in 4 track stereo and 2 track mono); and a 140 minute drive-in print (the less said about this, the better). The only remaining 70mm prints, other than the one David and I found in Toronto, have been cut to conform to the general release (albeit with the roadshow music left intact). There are two or three shortenned 70mm prints left. One or two are in Europe, and I have the other one. However, there are plenty of 35mm Technicolor (general release) prints in private hands.

The last I heard, the film will NOT be restored to its original running time. The elements are in deplorable shape. The best we can hope for SOMEDAY, is a DVD and/or Blu Ray of the general release version...with the missing scenes offered in a lesser quality supplement.
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Re: The First Time YOU Saw THE ALAMO...

Postby alamocentral on Fri Aug 26, 2011 1:24 am

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Dear Rich,
I don't know what part of Pennsylvania you are from, but the above theatre is in
Wilkes Barre, PA. Is that anywhere near your birthplace?
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Re: The First Time YOU Saw THE ALAMO...

Postby RLC-GTT on Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:03 pm

alamocentral wrote:Dear Rich,
I don't know what part of Pennsylvania you are from, but the above theatre is in Wilkes Barre, PA. Is that anywhere near your birthplace?
Ashley

Opps. Sorry I missed this, Ashley. I'm from Shamokin, PA, which is about 50 miles S.W. of Wilkes Barre. Back in those days, that was foreign country to me. lol. My theater of choice was the Victoria Theater in Shamokin -- the nicest and most art-deco (even though I didn't understand it then, I sure appreciated the quality). They also had the first 2.35:1 movie screen and, of course, dimming lights and opening curtains. O what we've lost! (It is now a vacant lot. :cry: )
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Postby RLC-GTT on Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:43 pm

Wow! Saying all that, and then Mo sent me a link to the Victoria Theater in Shamokin. What memories. Our apartment was a block away on the same side of Independence Street, the main street of town. I could walk to the movies by myself and never worry my mom. Did that as early as 8 or 9 years old. I've been back. I wouldn't want to be on the street NOW in broad daylight!
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Postby Fargo Fenwyck on Fri Oct 26, 2012 7:43 pm

RLC-GTT wrote:Wow! Saying all that, and then Mo sent me a link to the Victoria Theater in Shamokin. What memories. Our apartment was a block away on the same side of Independence Street, the main street of town. I could walk to the movies by myself and never worry my mom. Did that as early as 8 or 9 years old. I've been back. I wouldn't want to be on the street NOW in broad daylight!



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Re: The First Time YOU Saw THE ALAMO...

Postby AlamoMo on Fri Oct 26, 2012 7:58 pm

Here you go Rich

A brief history:

Victoria Theatre
46 W. Independence Street,Shamokin, PA 17872


Closed Demolished 1 Screen 1,700 Seats

Built as the flagship of the Chamberlain Amusement Company chain in 1918, the 1700-seat Victoria was an early design by prolific Pennsylvanian theater architect William H. Lee. The Beaux Arts style theater resembled more a European opera house of the late 19th century than a movie house.

The Victoria originally hosted vaudeville acts and stage shows in addition to movies before turning to movies exclusively later.

The Adam-style decor of the auditorium was simple but graceful, including a huge domed ceiling with a chandelier in the center, with smaller chandeliers encircling the dome. The large horseshoe-shaped balcony reached almost to the organ grilles flanking the narrow proscenium arch.

The exterior of the theater featured terra cotta highlights over light-colored brick. The name Victoria was inscribed on three plaques just below the cornice, on each side of the three-sided facade which faced Independence Street. In 1985, the Victoria was named to the National Register of Historic Places. After a very long career, the theater finally closed in the early 90s, and rapidly fell into disrepair.

Sadly, this small-town movie palace, along with much of the historic block it stood on, was acquired by Rite Aid in 1998 and cleared to make way for a new drugstore and its parking lot.

Somebody else who thought something of it:

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Do these bring back any memories:

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Re: The First Time YOU Saw THE ALAMO...

Postby RLC-GTT on Sat Oct 27, 2012 6:27 am

Oh my. What a mind trip! I don't know how you do it, Mo. Wonderful! This was MY theater. Saw THE ALAMO there at least nine of the 13 times I saw it in 1961. Each day, after school, I'd hurry home (2 blocks), drop my book bag off and rush the block-and-a-half to the Vic. I'd march down the isle to the drum march and the Deguello, see the last fifteen minutes of the movie, and then sit through two more shows. Then I'd go home and do my homework. Can't remember that I ate dinner. Must have just munched popcorn, ate Switzer's Licorice and drank Coke. Fortunately, it was the 161 minute version and not the 192.

In the two interior photographs, you see both screens. The standard 1.33:1 movie screen and the revamped proscenium with the 2.35:1 CinemaScope screen. I remember at least one movie that I saw on the standard screen. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. I was so small at that time that, when the wicked queen came on during the climax of the film, I literally went under the theater seat and my mother had to drag me out when it was over. In later years -- 1955 on -- I saw Davy Crockett: King of the Wild Frontier, The Last Command and Davy Crockett and the River Pirates on that screen. Then my world widened when they put in the new screen -- just in time for The Alamo, Spartacus and Ben-Hur.

Very thoughtful, Mo.... and moving. Thanks.
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Re: The First Time YOU Saw THE ALAMO...

Postby Fargo Fenwyck on Sat Oct 27, 2012 11:57 am

A Historical building demolished for a drug store with a store on almost every corner in every city in the USA.
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Re: The First Time YOU Saw THE ALAMO...

Postby AlamoMo on Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:02 pm

No problem Rich much obliged ;)

"They paved paradise and put up a parking lot." ah yes Joni Mitchell

Me I just love cinema having been a projectionist from a young boy
learning the trade with my late Father it just gets in your blood and I
love researching the history of cinema in its heyday by using such
websites as “ Cinema Treasures “.

Pleased to read it brought back those happy memories for you

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Postby RLC-GTT on Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:27 pm

Fargo Fenwyck wrote:A Historical building demolished for a drug store with a store on almost every corner in every city in the USA.

That's where we're headed. Just as sure as the turnin' of the earth. It will all be the same soon instead of unique.
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Postby RLC-GTT on Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:34 pm

AlamoMo wrote:Pleased to read it brought back those happy memories for you

Regards

Mo

It did indeed, and not just of the theater. It brought back memories of a whole wonderful era in my life -- childhood, family, Home.... My impressionable years were spent in Shamokin. We moved to State College for my senior year in high school and my heart just didn't go along at first. For ten years or more after the 1964 move, when I would dream of being at home, it would always be set in Shamokin, never State College -- even when the main characters of the dreams were new friends from State College! Wierd! But, when I think about it, not so wierd. Shamokin was an emotion-based community. State College, intellectual. I had to readjust. Plus, all my first memories were in Shamokin. ;)
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Re: The First Time YOU Saw THE ALAMO...

Postby fespar on Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:12 pm

The original version premiered in Sweden in Sept. 1962.However,I was too young to see it then!I did see it when it returned in Sept.1967.This,too,was the original version!When I saw it in 1971 I realized that there were scenes missing from the '67 showing.So there were un-edited version as late as 1967.sure glad I got to see it back then.
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Re: The First Time YOU Saw THE ALAMO...

Postby RLC-GTT on Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:12 am

fespar wrote:The original version premiered in Sweden in Sept. 1962.However,I was too young to see it then!I did see it when it returned in Sept.1967.This,too,was the original version!When I saw it in 1971 I realized that there were scenes missing from the '67 showing.So there were un-edited version as late as 1967.sure glad I got to see it back then.

Wow! That's amazing. The tradition has been that "all 14 Todd-AO prints were cut by 31 minutes before their 1960-61 "roadshow engagement" ended and then destroyed afterword, and that there were no 35 mm prints ever in the long version. Of course, the obvious first clue that this wasn't true was the fact that the "Toronto print" remained intact and was not destroyed -- until MGM/UA's unpardonable neglect in the 90's, which has rendered it virtually worthless. Glad you got to see it the way it was meant to be seen.
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Re: The First Time YOU Saw THE ALAMO...

Postby Roark on Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:56 am

I first saw the movie in 1960. I was already an Alamo nut case and had read everything I could on the siege. I had seen Davy Crockett at the Alamo and The Last Command.

I really was blown way by the movie sets but two things were disappointing. The final battle started in daylight and I knew that was inaccurate. The other was how silly Frankie Avalon looked in a coon skin cap. The cap was about as big as his whole body ( or so it seemed ). Outside of that I thought the movie was pretty good. Liked the score. Could have done without the Chill Wills speech on being proud of 'em while I was killin' 'em or words to that effect. I almost burst out laughing in the theater when I heard his speech but stuffed a sock in it and kept quiet.

Hey, I was only 15 years old. :roll:

The movie didn't disappoint though. I do remember it getting some pretty tepid reviews but I didn't care. It wasn't a seminal experience though. Lawrence of Arabia hit that mark ( for me ) two years later.
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