The Alamo 1960 Film Premiere

Discussion On All Aspects Of The Film.

Moderator: NefariousNed

Re: The Alamo 1960 Film Premiere

Postby Fargo Fenwyck on Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:05 pm

Seeing this picture from the Japan premier....what happens to the cardboard images used over the marquee? Did Batjac get them back or are they in movie collector limbo somewhere?
User avatar
Fargo Fenwyck
 
Posts: 2313
Joined: Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:25 pm
Location: Northwood, Ohio

Re: The Alamo 1960 Film Premiere

Postby RLC-GTT on Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:25 pm

Your guess is as good as mine. Come up with a good one! ;)
User avatar
RLC-GTT
 
Posts: 17874
Joined: Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:03 am

Re: The Alamo 1960 Film Premiere

Postby Don on Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:03 pm

Fargo Fenwyck wrote:Seeing this picture from the Japan premier....what happens to the cardboard images used over the marquee? Did Batjac get them back or are they in movie collector limbo somewhere?


I have no idea about what they did with those type of things back in the 1960s, but, when The Alamo 2004 was playing locally, the theatre had a large (maybe 5' x 4') cardboard standee in the auditorium. I had asked if I could photograph it and was allowed and when they finished the movie's run they asked me if I wanted it and gave it to me. It's still up in the attic because I have no room to display it. So, probably, some collector or collectors have a large number of these things somewhere.
User avatar
Don
 
Posts: 198
Joined: Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:50 pm
Location: Mission, British Columbia, Canada

Re: The Alamo 1960 Film Premiere

Postby MUSTANG on Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:04 am

For those who remember, I mentioned in my book that Wayne gave out custom replica Bowie knives to 75 news reporters and various dignitaries during premiere week in San Antonio. If you go to the Conway Vintage Treasures website, they are selling the one that Wayne presented to the owner of the Handy Andy store where one of the celebration activities took place. There is also a photo of Duke making the presentation. Only $9,500. Sorry I can't post the photo.
User avatar
MUSTANG
 
Posts: 1940
Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:49 am

Re: The Alamo 1960 Film Premiere

Postby RLC-GTT on Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:24 am

MUSTANG wrote:For those who remember, I mentioned in my book that Wayne gave out custom replica Bowie knives to 75 news reporters and various dignitaries during premiere week in San Antonio. If you go to the Conway Vintage Treasures website, they are selling the one that Wayne presented to the owner of the Handy Andy store where one of the celebration activities took place. There is also a photo of Duke making the presentation. Only $9,500. Sorry I can't post the photo.

Even that cost $8,250.
User avatar
RLC-GTT
 
Posts: 17874
Joined: Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:03 am

Re: The Alamo 1960 Film Premiere

Postby gh1836 on Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:25 am

I remember when I first saw John Wayne's The Alamo there was a card board standee of a stockade that was maybe about four feet high by ten feet long in the lobby.
Gary Heck
User avatar
gh1836
 
Posts: 331
Joined: Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:59 pm
Location: Claude Texas

Re: The Alamo 1960 Film Premiere

Postby AlamoGill on Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:56 am

Here you go John

Firstly the link to the Conway Vintage Treasures website page:

http://www.cvtreasures.com/hollywood-le ... 0&sort=20a

and below is the photograph

Kindest

Gill & Mo
Attachments
Duke Bowie Knife.jpg
Duke Bowie Knife.jpg (241.99 KiB) Viewed 1283 times
John Wayne Bowie Knife.jpg
John Wayne Bowie Knife.jpg (193.86 KiB) Viewed 1285 times
User avatar
AlamoGill
 
Posts: 426
Joined: Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:54 pm
Location: Aberystwyth Mid Wales UK

Re: The Alamo 1960 Film Premiere

Postby MUSTANG on Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:23 pm

Thanks, Gill.
User avatar
MUSTANG
 
Posts: 1940
Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:49 am

Re: The Alamo 1960 Film Premiere

Postby NefariousNed on Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:54 pm

Doug Cohen brought this one to Ernie's Bar in the Crockett Hotel on March 4, 2014

Image
The "OUTSIDE THE ALAMO, Songs of Ned Huthmacher Performed by John Beland" CD Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/groups/OutsideTheAlamo/
User avatar
NefariousNed
Moderator
 
Posts: 53121
Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:48 pm

Re: The Alamo 1960 Film Premiere

Postby RLC-GTT on Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:45 pm

Ha! I have one of these that I got for $5.00 in the Alamo Gift Shop in 1965, and it didn't have that dumb stick-on plate on the top either. :lol:
User avatar
RLC-GTT
 
Posts: 17874
Joined: Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:03 am

Re: The Alamo 1960 Film Premiere

Postby cc nolen on Thu Mar 30, 2017 3:35 pm

I have had 10 or 12 of these over the years. It is nothing more than a Carvel-Hall made replica of the William Sweet Knife. $5 to $50 everyday on Ebay.
(of course the brass plate at the top is extra! :shock: ).
Chris...
Attachments
wos.JPG
wos.JPG (34.39 KiB) Viewed 1172 times
User avatar
cc nolen
 
Posts: 10508
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:04 pm
Location: West Monroe, Louisiana.......Land of Bowie

Re: The Alamo 1960 Film Premiere

Postby NefariousNed on Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:50 pm

I got my Carvel Hall knife back in 1969 in the Old Knife Shop in Knott's Berry for $19.95. That was two days wages for me back then,
but I just had to have it. Shortly after, a friend of mine decided to throw it at a tree and bent the tip. So I had to take it to a grinder
to repoint the blade. It was sort of a surreal experience. The grinder's shop was in a seedy section of downtown Los Angeles and looked
like it had been there a hundred years. Grinder himself was this old black guy who took the job seriously. Only lost about a quarter of an
inch off the tip and his buffing the blade sort of toned down the mirror sheen, making my knife that much more uniquie, now.
Attachments
Carvel-Hall.jpg
Carvel-Hall.jpg (60.25 KiB) Viewed 1155 times
The "OUTSIDE THE ALAMO, Songs of Ned Huthmacher Performed by John Beland" CD Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/groups/OutsideTheAlamo/
User avatar
NefariousNed
Moderator
 
Posts: 53121
Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:48 pm

Re: The Alamo 1960 Film Premiere

Postby RLC-GTT on Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:01 am

Actually, that was probably what mine cost. I don't really remember. But I damaged the tip myself by trying to throw it into a tree. Damn that TV series opening! :lol: Fortunately, mine just bent a bit -- and is still obvious when you look closely. The name plate keeps falling off one side and hanging by one tack.
User avatar
RLC-GTT
 
Posts: 17874
Joined: Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:03 am

Re: The Alamo 1960 Film Premiere

Postby gh1836 on Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:22 pm

Seems we might have all tried the knife throwing bit too. I got my Bowie Knife when I was 14 at a Gibsons Discount store in Hereford Texas. :)
Gary Heck
User avatar
gh1836
 
Posts: 331
Joined: Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:59 pm
Location: Claude Texas

Re: The Alamo 1960 Film Premiere

Postby RLC-GTT on Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:09 pm

And it's all because of that Scott Forbes opening!!!
User avatar
RLC-GTT
 
Posts: 17874
Joined: Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:03 am

Re: The Alamo 1960 Film Premiere

Postby NefariousNed on Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:35 pm

In today's San Antonio Express News


Woodlawn made changes for ‘The Alamo’

PAULA ALLEN

The Woodlawn Theater on Fredericksburg Road was the site for the world premiere
of the John Wayne film “The Alamo” on Oct. 24, 1960.

"When John Wayne filmed his classic “Alamo” in 1960 at Brackettville with a cast of
nearly 1,000, many from San Antonio made the 128-mile trip to be an extra in the
epic. When it came time for the movie premiere in San Antonio, it was promoted
like any major Hollywood movie. Many people at that time thought it would
automatically be premiered in downtown San Antonio, at the then-finest Majestic
Theatre. It seats over 2,300 and would have been the obvious choice. Houston
Street could have handled the searchlights that lit up the skies and the crowds and
hoopla that go with premieres. Instead the movie was premiered at a smaller,
neighborhood theater, the Woodlawn, which seats about 1,250. There must be a
story behind this obvious mishandle, and I hope you can shed some light." -Larry Gee-


The Woodlawn Theater, at 1920 Fredericksburg Road, isn’t exactly across the alley
from the Alamo but had other qualities that made it the right place for the premiere.

Small but special, it was an Art Deco movie palace designed by John Eberson,
architect of the Majestic as well as many other atmospheric theaters. The Woodlawn
was hailed as the “newest and most lavish of neighborhood theaters” when it opened
Aug. 17, 1945. Operated by the Interstate Theater Circuit, as was the Majestic, the
Woodlawn boasted 1,400 seats and free parking — “a full block of paved, floodlighted
parking lot in which attendants will be on duty at all times,” says the San Antonio
Express, Aug. 13, 1945. The “deluxe suburban theater (had) the finest furnishings
available as well as the most expert construction,” and its dedication, hosted by
Interstate executives and San Antonio Mayor Gus Mauermann, was broadcast over local
radio.

At the same time, Wayne’s $12 million “Alamo” — one of the most expensive films
ever made at that time — had some special requirements. More than three hours long,
it couldn’t be combined with another title into a double bill and would require premium
pricing, since it couldn’t be shown at the frequency of a standard, 90-minute picture.
Theaters that booked “The Alamo” had to commit to showing a single film for the
duration of the run.

Most important was the process in which the film was shot — Todd-AO, a phrase
used in advertising and advance publicity as if it were part of the movie’s title,
“The Alamo in Todd-AO.” Printed on 70mm film stock, the process allowed for
improved sound quality, probably was important to Wayne because of the sound-
track, which featured realistic battle sounds as well as “Alamo Suite,” an original
composition by Dmitri Tiomkin. Shot through wide-angle lenses, Todd-AO films
also were intended to be shown on curved screens. Typically, they were booked as
“road shows” that opened in exclusive arrangements with single theaters in large
cities for limited showings over unusually long bookings.

Tiomkin’s musical score was performed Oct. 22, 1960, by the San Antonio Symphony,
conducted by the composer in Municipal Auditorium, one of the many events of the
four-day premiere festivities — breakfasts, brunches, luncheons, dinners, receptions,
dances, concerts and a trail ride, all leading up to the showing of the movie. The
Alamo Premiere Committee of the San Antonio Chamber of Commerce announced
that most of the $45,000 cost of the promotional events would be paid for from sales
of 600 gold-plated premiere movie tickets at $50 each.

That premiere audience was exclusive, with additional complimentary tickets given
to movie stars and United Artists executives, politicians, national media, local society
folk and “the cream of Texas wealth.” When they arrived at the premiere, the Wood-
lawn was “a glittering spectacle (as) searchlights splashed the redecorated marquee,”
says the San Antonio Light, Oct. 25, 1960. Inside, the theater sported a “new ‘gold’
look which cost thousands, including a new screen equipped to handle the Todd-AO
film process.”

When asked why the Woodlawn was chosen, actor/producer Wayne said it was “the
only theater that agreed to renovate itself with the necessary equipment to show
the film,” as John Farkis reports in “Not Thinkin’ … Just Rememberin’: The
Making of John Wayne’s ‘The Alamo.’” Although the Broadway Theater also had
Todd-AO and 70-mm equipment, that upscale neighborhood theater already was
showing the widescreen epic “Ben-Hur.” Another technical detail had to do with
projection: The Todd-AO angle had to be 9 degrees, “and the Woodlawn booth was
already throwing its film from a seven-degree angle.” So the theater made further
modifications at a cost of $50,000.

The Majestic, with 3,700 seats at the time, the Texas Theater (2,732 seats) and
the Aztec Theater (2,500) “were not picked for the premiere because they can’t
afford to devote themselves to one long-run movie for the next six to 12 months,”
according to columnist Paul Thompson in the Express, Aug. 27, 1960.

Most San Antonians couldn’t get into the premiere, but were invited to buy tickets
by mail, offered for showings from the first night through Dec. 31 — only at the
Woodlawn, until the following year, when a shorter version of the film was shown
elsewhere, including drive-in theaters.
Attachments
WoodlawnTHEALAMOExpressNews10-8-17.jpg
WoodlawnTHEALAMOExpressNews10-8-17.jpg (127.09 KiB) Viewed 472 times
The "OUTSIDE THE ALAMO, Songs of Ned Huthmacher Performed by John Beland" CD Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/groups/OutsideTheAlamo/
User avatar
NefariousNed
Moderator
 
Posts: 53121
Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:48 pm

Re: The Alamo 1960 Film Premiere

Postby NefariousNed on Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:47 am

Hmm... I had thought such an article would be of interest to members of a forum dedicated to John Wayne's 1960 film, THE ALAMO.
Even John Farkis and his book, "Not Thinkin..." are mentioned in it.
The "OUTSIDE THE ALAMO, Songs of Ned Huthmacher Performed by John Beland" CD Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/groups/OutsideTheAlamo/
User avatar
NefariousNed
Moderator
 
Posts: 53121
Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:48 pm

Re: The Alamo 1960 Film Premiere

Postby SantaClaus on Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:13 am

NefariousNed wrote:Hmm... I had thought such an article would be of interest to members of a forum dedicated to John Wayne's 1960 film, THE ALAMO.
Even John Farkis and his book, "Not Thinkin..." are mentioned in it.

Sorry, Ned. I didn't see your original post on October 8.
Very interesting information on the hows and whys of "The Alamo" premiere took place at that particular theater. I guess most people are like me in that we just go to a movie and don't even give a second thought about the theater technicalities and logistics required to give the audience the best picture and sound.
I must admit, however, that there was a period of a few years when I became very annoyed about having to watch movies where careless projectionists were not bothering to focus their lenses properly. I'd have to leave my seat and hunt down the theater managers in order to complain about the fuzzy pictures. That was before I realized that the problem wasn't in the projection booth. I just needed glasses and I didn't know it. :oops:
User avatar
SantaClaus
 
Posts: 1702
Joined: Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:43 pm
Location: Austin, TX

Re: The Alamo 1960 Film Premiere

Postby AlamoGill on Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:45 pm

" Hmm... I had thought such an article would be of interest to members of a forum dedicated
to John Wayne's 1960 film, THE ALAMO. Even John Farkis and his book, "Not Thinkin..." are
mentioned in it."


Mo asked me to repost these two images of one of the actual projectors that showed the
Alamo film at the Woodlawn which was saved by a friend of Mo's and the owner has it in
his private collection in San Antonio.
Attachments
Woodlawn Projector 2.jpg
Woodlawn Projector 2.jpg (186.29 KiB) Viewed 357 times
Woodlawn Projector 1.jpg
Woodlawn Projector 1.jpg (236.41 KiB) Viewed 357 times
Last edited by AlamoGill on Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:48 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
AlamoGill
 
Posts: 426
Joined: Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:54 pm
Location: Aberystwyth Mid Wales UK

Re: The Alamo 1960 Film Premiere

Postby cc nolen on Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:47 pm

Hmmmm? October 24th. :shock: ....Oh yeah! thats my Birthday!!! :lol:
User avatar
cc nolen
 
Posts: 10508
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:04 pm
Location: West Monroe, Louisiana.......Land of Bowie

Re: The Alamo 1960 Film Premiere

Postby MUSTANG on Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:26 am

Hummmmmm? No wonder Paula was asking all those questions last week. LOL!
User avatar
MUSTANG
 
Posts: 1940
Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:49 am

Re: The Alamo 1960 Film Premiere

Postby fespar on Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:43 pm

I bought my Bowie-knife,as shown above John Wayne,from The Alamo Gift Shop in 1970 for $20.00.In 2009 I sent it to Fess Parker.
He said he slept better knowing that he had a Bowie-knife next to the bed!
fespar
 
Posts: 128
Joined: Sun Mar 10, 2013 8:16 pm

Previous

Return to The Alamo ( 1960 )

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest