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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby mrbassbone on Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:16 am

Glad to see them brung up agin.
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM

Postby K Hale on Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:33 am

Nefarious wrote:
Nefarious wrote:Image
Larry Grimsley, Craig Covner, Jerry Laing & Jack Edmondson on the set of ALAMO, The Price Of Freedom.

Jack and Steve Sandor should've swapped roles... Although really, to be fair, I didn't think Sandor was all THAT bad, if
compared to [cough] certain others who have played the role.
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby NefariousNed on Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:24 am

Jack had actually gotten called to audition for the Bowie role, flew into San Antonio and then drove to Brackettville for the appointment.
Jeff Bearden also auditioned for the Crockett role. Ends up, the production company had already chosen their Holy Trinity and they
were merely trying to placate the reenactors by letting them go through the motions of auditioning. When Jack realized that he would
be spending most of his time in a Mexican uniform, he left for home.

What a great Trinity that might've been: Jack, as Bowie, Jeff, as Crockett, and Benton Jennings, as Travis. (Not that Casy Biggs did
not do a decent job.)
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby K Hale on Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:49 pm

But not before (unless I misremembered the story or have the wrong film) doing multiple takes of a scene where he charges over a wall yelling and waving a knife and scaring the opposition...
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby RLC-GTT on Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:45 pm

Craig looks like Tom Cruise in Far and Away in that picture. Jack looks like... Jack. LOL. No, actually, Jack looks like some film director like Robert Rodriguez. Larry looks like somebody I wouldn't want to cross -- particularly in a dark NYC alley. Jerry........ well........ he needs his hat -- and to lose those dumb glasses!!! Now, if anybody posts a photo with me and the video camera, you are ALL in for a rolling-on-the-floor laugh. ;) (Actually, that was the year before for the reenactment. I didn't have a video camera the two awesome days I visited during POF.)
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby NefariousNed on Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:10 pm

RLC-GTT wrote: Now, if anybody posts a photo with me and the video camera, you are ALL in for a rolling-on-the-floor laugh. ;) (Actually, that was the year before for the reenactment. I didn't have a video camera the two awesome days I visited during POF.)

Here's a couple of you from the 1986 reenactments, Rich.

Nefarious wrote:Image
Ned Huthmacher, Rich Curilla and Kaj Andersen, above the Waynamo main gate.


Nefarious wrote:Image
Rich Curilla video-taped all three Alamo reenactments in the Waynamo
on March 7th and 8th, 1986 with the idea of fleshing it out into an
official Sesquicentennial 'film'. Unfortunately, the oversight of not
having gotten signed legal releases from all of the participants prior
to filming scrapped the project. (No copies of the video could have
been sold at the Village, or elsewhere, without those written
releases.)

In addition to the videoing of Henry Guerra's "13 Days Of The
Alamo", which included Jack Edmondson's 'Travis Draws The
Line Speech', as well as the Alamo battle(s) in the Waynamo plaza,
Rich even shot a few exteriors, showing six soldado reenactors scaling
the south wall on one of the original ladders from the Wayne film. As
one of the soldados, Alamo archeological expert and artist, Craig
Covner, got to do a wonderful backward ladder fall, courtesy of
Kenny (Crockett) Pruitt, who stood swinging Old Betsey on the
wall above. Dropping the prop musket in his fall, Craig landed crotch
first upon one of the ladder's lower rungs. Luckily, he saved
himself from any permanent damage by grabbing the ladder, just in
time.

After filming the 'assault' scene, Rich even video-interviewed some of
the participants, including Covner. Being in costume as a soldado
gives one a whole new perspective on the battle, noted Covner.
And he really got into the carnage. "It's like eating Lays potato Chips,"
he said wryly. "Once you start, you just can't stop."
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby mrbassbone on Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:21 pm

Did Rich ever complete the project for his own enjoyment?
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby K Hale on Mon Feb 04, 2013 7:28 pm

RLC-GTT wrote:Craig looks like Tom Cruise in Far and Away in that picture.

I've said this before. There really is an uncanny resemblance.
Jack looks like... Jack. LOL. No, actually, Jack looks like some film director like Robert Rodriguez.

Not familiar with him. Let's see.

http://www.google.com/search?q=robert+r ... jYHIBQ#p=0

... :shock:
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby RLC-GTT on Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:10 am

Yes! It's the smile in the picture of Jack that bears the resemblance to Robert. I don't see it in person with Jack, just in that photo.
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby RLC-GTT on Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:13 am

Image

Are you sure you didn't photoshop me in? I look so small between you and Kaj!
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby RLC-GTT on Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:22 am

Nefarious wrote:Image
Rich Curilla video-taped all three Alamo reenactments in the Waynamo
on March 7th and 8th, 1986 with the idea of fleshing it out into an
official Sesquicentennial 'film'. Unfortunately, the oversight of not
having gotten signed legal releases from all of the participants prior
to filming scrapped the project. (No copies of the video could have
been sold at the Village, or elsewhere, without those written
releases.)

That's basically correct. It was largely Happy's fear of the unknown. We now might say that nobody in that group would have taken issue with their image appearing in a video, and I would probably agree. But Happy always took the safe route with legal issues like that. Plus, we had also just shot a series of music videos for Valentino Hernandez, Happy's country singer that he was developing, and he saw more opportunity in creating that marketing tool than sinking several thousand dollars into my editing a reenactment video. Sorry, it was a real-world Shahan, the businessman, whose favorite statement was, "You run your business the way you want, and I'll run mine the way I want."
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby RLC-GTT on Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:23 am

By the way, that's Kevin Young with me. :cry:
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby RLC-GTT on Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:38 am

The video equipment (heavy 3/4 inch videotape recorder, video camera, tripod and accessories) belonged to Frank Sabo. He is a cool dude from Ohio who used to fly his own plane down and land on Happy's strip (I think, or maybe it was the Fort Clark airport) whenever he'd get lonesome for old Hap. Frank was a coal truck driver back home but started his own video production studio in his barn and began doing paid projects for local businessmen. This fellow had absolutely no ego of his own as a "videomaker" and just enjoyed being a part of things. Our deal was that Happy got him to come down and spend several weeks at the house. Even Virginia liked him even though he cussed like a coal-cracker. He agreed to be the video technician to my directing and shooting. We did the Valentino Video -- hours of scripted, directed narrative with "Valentino and the Shahan Express," which I was editing into a 30 minute show including 5 music videos that Valentino wrote and I storyboarded and shot. In those days, videotaped productions had to be edited in a formal editing suite, which I did at Bill Stokes Associates in Dallas. I did an off-line edit on 3/4 inch after making my basic shot list at home by watching dupe 1/2 inch tapes on a home player. Once my frame-accurate off-line edit was complete (several weeks at $250 a day), I was ready to do the on-line edit with studio technicians (at $250 an hour for probably a day), but various problems occurred that made Happy decide not to complete the video -- and likewise, not to do anything on the Alamo reenactment video.

There is some old addage in movie-making that says something like only one-tenth of the films that get shot ever make it to the screen. That seems to have been my learning experience with these two projects.
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby NefariousNed on Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:11 am

For those of you on Facebook, here's a shortcut to the "Alamo-The Price Of Freedom" page. Apparently Kevin Young had started it.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Alamo-Th ... ref=stream
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby RLC-GTT on Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:40 am

Wow! I never knew of it.
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby MartyB on Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:55 am

RLC-GTT wrote:Wow! I never knew of it.


Neither did I...

I saw a few photos that I hadn't seen before...

Drilling - New Orleans Greys,
Travis greeting Bonham (we now know what happened to the Wayneamo cross...although it's probably crossed muskets),
Santa Anna at the North Wall after the battle (notice Joe showing where the bodies are)...
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby Fargo Fenwyck on Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:52 pm

Is there anything remaining that you MIGHT be able to show????
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby MartyB on Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:07 am

Nefarious wrote:For those of you on Facebook, here's a shortcut to the "Alamo-The Price Of Freedom" page. Apparently Kevin Young had started it.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Alamo-Th ... ref=stream


Fargo Fenwyck wrote:Is there anything remaining that you MIGHT be able to show????


Just go to the facebook.com page that Ned noted and click on 'photos'....
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby MartyB on Wed Jun 12, 2013 2:02 pm

Of interest...
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby MartyB on Wed Jun 12, 2013 2:11 pm

:) ...
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby MartyB on Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:34 pm

I'm sure this photo has been posted here before...However, I came across a high-resolution image of the Wayneamo set dressed
for 'Price of Freedom' in an old flash-drive (I have got to get my images sorted and cataloged some day), and took a look at the
details...The photograph has a 'period' look to it...but the two details, particularly the last image just seem to shout out, "This
what it looked like...not clean, but dirty and cluttered..."

Great image...I would love to know who took it...
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby mrbassbone on Sat Aug 10, 2013 10:11 pm

You can thank Roger Ragland for that. He told me that he had to shout <curse out> some reenactor forlks who were wearing improper shoes for the film as well as trying to place their personal accoutraments all over the place. There was a certain look that needed to be maintained because of the IMAX lenses which would catch everything.
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby NefariousNed on Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:58 am

Some old APOF postcards. Almost makes me feel like I was there. Oh, wait a minute...

Image
That's Mike Waters up on the corner of the facade.
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby NefariousNed on Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:58 am

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As soldados, we were to the right (palisade) side of the doorway when it was blown, plaster shards
flying everywhere.
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby NefariousNed on Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:59 am

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It took two days to film the aftermath scene, so all those bodies had to get back on their original
mark the following day by consulting a photo.
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby NefariousNed on Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:17 am

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While going into the IMAX Rivercenter theater to view APOF before the "Twilight On The Plaza" event
this past Saturday, I noticed this sign by the ticket window. "So," I asked the ticket agent, "do cast and
crew members get a discount?" "I don't know, " she replied, "but I will check." Moments later, she returned
and I ended up paying only 40 % of the ticket price. It pays to speak up.
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby AlamoMo on Tue Nov 19, 2013 8:10 pm

Well done Ned

Well worth you asking my friend

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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby Fargo Fenwyck on Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:49 pm

How'd you prove you were in it? You've changed a bit in the last 25 years.
The discount you recieved was nice. HOWEVER you probably bought extra popcorn and soda and such things.
So what version did you get to watch?
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby NefariousNed on Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:58 pm

Fargo Fenwyck wrote:How'd you prove you were in it? You've changed a bit in the last 25 years.
The discount you recieved was nice. HOWEVER you probably bought extra popcorn and soda and such things.
So what version did you get to watch?


Well, they sort of know me there. And I've seen the film at least 25 times in the past 25 years. Same old 43
minute version, Fargo.
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby NefariousNed on Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:09 am

"He's out of range, Davy!"
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby Seguin on Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:44 am

Nice POF photos!
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby Fargo Fenwyck on Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:14 pm

Okay Ned. Do you have a copy of this film???????? Those are great screen captures.
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby NefariousNed on Sat Dec 14, 2013 3:40 am

Fargo Fenwyck wrote:Okay Ned. Do you have a copy of this film???????? Those are great screen captures.

I'll never tell. ;)
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby NefariousNed on Sat Dec 14, 2013 3:42 am

Reenactor Frank Kirtley over by the 18 pounder. (Photo, Dan Lawrence.)
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby Seguin on Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:03 am

That´s a great photo with the compound in the background!
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Postby NefariousNed on Sat Dec 21, 2013 3:57 pm

Seguin wrote:That´s a great photo with the compound in the background!

Glad at least YOU like it, Hans. Thanks.
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby NefariousNed on Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:16 am

At one of my battle stations during APOF. From here, we witnessed James Bonham riding in through a hail of fire while we gave him cover fire.
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby cc nolen on Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:17 pm

What you got in that jug? :o ...be careful you don't fall of the roof! :roll:
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby Seguin on Tue Jan 14, 2014 4:25 am

Drinking as usual. :D
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Re: ALAMO: THE PRICE OF FREEDOM (1987)

Postby cc nolen on Tue Jan 14, 2014 4:32 am

Seguin wrote:Drinking as usual. :D


Thats what them Cali - texans call, sipping whiskey :roll:
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